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wow, someone had a bad day today. Just dont get antsy with me. I just dont know few words in that link means. I wondered how many pure greens are actually hybrids? Just learn something new everyday
 
Oh, gosh. Sorry I got edgy. It just seemed like nobody believed me. Forgive me?

I actually wonder what each "original" sunfish looked like before all the crosses and wipe-outs, human intervention with stocking lakes and such. I think I read on NANFA that one entire species is suspect of being a fertile cross between two others.
 
Ok. Unless you personally took fin clips or pulled blood for DNA analysis, or manually expressed gametes from the pumpkinseed male and a green sunfish and raised them from fry, you don't know that they are hybrids either. No need to get fired up b/c folks with plenty of fish ID experience agree that what you have are pure green sunfish. The 'jewel' you speak of is not out of the ordinary for greens.

I stand by my statement that these are pure green sunfish.
And if no other issues arise, I will make this my last post on this thread.
 
I emailed the guy who owns the father. Hopefully he'll be able to send back a picture of him. Then you'll be apologizing, WahooWillie. And hopefully smarter.
 
knifegill;4070129; said:
At least have enough integrity to read the whole thread before posting. It's only one page.
Yes, the parents are aquarium fish. I have stated this above. And if you had read the link I posted you would have understood that these could very well be clones of the mother. But you didn't, did you? You just read what everyone else said, decided to follow the herd and stick your foot in your mouth. Good work, soldier.


Really. It's almost like you aren't actually reading. Are you just kind of blinking at the screen and letting the words that get through assemble themselves randomly? Whether or not these look like hybrids, they carry part of the pumpkinseed genome. If it is carried on the triploid chromosome, no pumpkinseed traits will show. Whether or not you like it, these babies are the offspring of a pumpkinseed male and a green female. It's okay if you don't understand these words. I know some of them are big. It doesn't change the genetic makeup of the animals.
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Iam afraid MN Rebel knows far more about native fish then you do, but I do say that something is odd on these little guys so I will have to side with the Op on this one and say they are hybrids.
 
Careful. If he breeds them in a ponds/tubs with other sunfish, then there is no way HE knows either. Whether he may think he put in one pumpkinseed male and a few green females doesn't means he sexed the greens correctly. Unless he expressed gametes to determine sex, there could be male and female greens in the tank (young males can mimic females when spawning). Read up on genetic polymorphism.

knifegill;4070990; said:
I emailed the guy who owns the father. Hopefully he'll be able to send back a picture of him. Then you'll be apologizing, WahooWillie. And hopefully smarter.
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You need to be aware of whom you speak to. MN rebel is no fool.
While I do not wish to boast, I will hint that I am fairly knowledgeable in this field.

If you prove me wrong, my sincere apologies. But no need to be childish.

I have edited this b/c I was being a bit childish myself. Hopefully folks have read this version.
 
No, the two fish were alone in a tank as far as I know. Just one pumpkinseed and one green. That was the story I got. Photo of father pending.
 
I got that feeling that this father is just colorful green....because I just dont see any fish of yours that screaming a hybrid.
 
well we all agree its a sunny and a nice fish regardless
 
Beautifull fish.......and many thanks to the knowledgeable folks who post here; I had 2 green sunnies (before they outgrew their tank) and do quite a bit of fishing and have realized that with Lepomis almost anything is possible. We have Bluegill in a lake that I swear have some Longear traits (their earflaps and some markings)....we also have Central Longear in a creek adjoining the lake that exhibit Bluegill characteristics (larger size, less marking, smaller mouth), yet many people argue with me about them possibly being hybrids (I am not going to pay to have a dna analysis done) all I can say is that it is "all good". I would like to crossbreed Green with Redbreast Sunfish to create a Hybrid that is almost as pretty as a Redbreast and almost as hardy as a Green......but the tank spaces needed is what is stopping me for now ( and trying to figure out how to breed them so they arent sterile triploid fish). All I can say is Im learning alot from you guys arguing and want to give both sides my sincere thanks , Joe.
 
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