Seeking origin of Ammonia burn Hoax...

[AndreR]

If you consider darkening a "burn " Then look no further.

Ammonia can cause the opercular areas to turn a deep red, sometimes violet/grayish. Sorry dude, but it's not so much a hoax.

It could depend on the consideration just like you said.

But without any evidence it still is just a laymans metaphor leading to misunderstanding!

For example:

http://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=143&parentId=12

The point about healing might be correct and can be substantiated for example by:

Ronald J. Roberts
"Melanin-Containing Cells of Teleost Fish and Their Relation to Disease"
in
Ribelin&Migaki
"The Pathology of Fishes"
University o Wisconsin Press, 1975

But what causes the healing effect???

There we are with superficial layman-conclusions.

The fishes skin might be healing because of high ammonia-stress-level caused by import conditions or it might be stressed by rough netting ...or they might not, who cares...

Just unproven claiming....confusing hobbyists!

So does anybody know something about it with any evidence not being based upon laymans-logic?

By the way there is nothing as easy as disproving unproven claims, if the fishes of that importer really turn that black he is a poor importer who should find a more reliable breeder and if fishes turn black caused by ammmonia (as it is already pointed out) the keeper is a poor keeper (and the fish would already be dead caused by gill hyperplasia)

So it seems to be more obvious that fishes (in this case Goldfishes especially) turn black caused by a delayed stress syndrome, leading to an energy-deficiency-syndrome (see: Selye, Hans; „The Physiology and Pathology of Exposure to STRESS“ ACTA. INC. Medical Publ., 1950)...finally leading to death just causing darkening as a symptom in parallel.

Can you catch me?

 

[AndreR]

Any suggestions left?

 

[Wolf3101]

The harderst part about sky diving is the ground....

High levels of ammonia are bad for fish...period. Personally after 30 years in the hobby I have all the proof I need to accept this as fact. Other than arguing for the sake of argument and addressing a point of semantics here I fail to understand the nature of your problem. At what point did it become our job to do your research for you?

 

[santoury]

What exactly are you trying here? Ammonia does damage, period. End of story.

 

[Bderick67]

The harderst part about sky diving is the ground....
High levels of ammonia are bad for fish...period. Personally after 30 years in the hobby I have all the proof I need to accept this as fact. Other than arguing for the sake of argument and addressing a point of semantics here I fail to understand the nature of your problem. At what point did it become our job to do your research for you?

I'm not sure but I think his point is that the ammonia will kill the fish before it will burn the fish.

Not my opinion, just a guess.

Thanks wolf...my fricken side hurts now

 

[Wolf3101]

LOL to clear up what my point was....
Ammonia causes damage...the argument seems to be about what that damage is CALLED. No one seems to be arguing the actual symptoms involved but rather what to call it...

What differance does is make? Dead is dead and everyone using the term Ammonia burn...knows what's bieng talked about.

What's next? a debate over wether or not it should be called a brackish tank or a semi-salt tank?
How about a transitional biotrope?

 

[AndreR]

So any further suggestions of thinking people?

 

[fishtankdork]

yea..

look at fish shipped over seas,
i have seen flowerhorns with ACTUAL amonia burns from the long flight in a bag, that LIVED