Septicemia?

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I am definitely at a loss with this one. I have a 7 year old group of Dan’s Vieja melurua(and few of their offspring that survived) in a 265g with a 75g sump. The largest male is right around 12” and is the only fish that has ever had any symptoms. The base of his pectoral fins are red, slightly darker pigmentation, and his breathing rate is slightly elevated but has been active and eating normally until the last few days but his appetite has decreased. He will still grab a Northfin Tropical stick or a Algaemax pellet or two but his appetite has definitely diminished. I first noticed this the first week of January of this year. The nitrates hover right around 20ppm and my typical schedule is a 80% water change every two-three days, PH is 8.0, and TDS is around 280. I have over the last 9 months run a full course of Maracyn and Maracyn 2 with no effect. I gave them a 90 day break then ran a full course of nitrofurizone with no effect. I gave them another 90 day break with a full course of Kanaplex/Metroplex and still no effect. Since this has been going on I’ve been doing 75% water changes every one-two days to keep nitrates well below 10ppm. So I would certainly appreciate any other ideas as I’m definitely at a loss.

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This was in December before this started to occur for comparison.
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Sorry to hear you're still battling this issue. I'm not familiar with Septicemia so hopefully someone with more experience can weigh in (maybe RD. RD. or kno4te kno4te )... It seems that disease is very contagious (per Google AI), so if none of the other fish are showing symptoms, it may be something else affecting your big V. melanura.

Have you tried reaching out to a local fish vet (https://fishvets.org/find-a-fish-vet/)? Also Dr. Basleer offers video consultations... Not sure either wil help as I've tried both before but still lost my prized male A. stalsbergi after 6, 7 months of trying to treat an illness, but it can't hurt to try..

GL!!!🤞
 
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VHS, and BHS, would need to be imported into the tank, just as it was spread in the WI lakes where it started to show up, about 15 years ago.
And I doubt you have imported it but using feeders, or (?) these Vieja being primarily vegetarian.

Normal life span of Vieja can be as long as 10 years, but the dominant males may start to wear much out sooner
even with the exemplary care you provide.
I´ve noticed this where old cichlids (at 7 to 10 years) bodies start to almost automatically deteriorate.
(just like mine did when I hit 70)
Their sexual prime is approx 3 to 5 yoa in nature, you have actually extanded it in your aguarium.

Compare that with average size tetras that are way past their reproductive prime at 3, and usually male only 2 in nature.

Or even a male lion, only 8 to 10 yoa, or a wolf maybe 15.
 
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bkfamus bkfamus Yes sir, I’ve spent hours and hours looking through forum posts. The majority of threads state the infected fish that display these symptoms typically dies within a few days while spreading to other tank mates. I didn’t find a single thread where the fish in question carried on for 9 nine months like this chap. But as you mentioned it’s typically quite contagious according to the information that I’ve found too, if that is indeed what it is. There is an aquatic vet locally that I’ve used in the past but she is currently out on maternity leave. Sorry to hear about your stalsbergi as watching them slowly pass is terrible. I’ve spent well over $500 in medications which some people will think is absurd but my large display tanks are stocked and my fish room is all 40 breeders and 20 longs so I was forced to treat the entire tank.

duanes duanes Thank you as well for the reply. No sir, I don’t feed any live foods just NLS Alagemax and NF tropical sticks. The only fish that have ever been introduced to this group were some occasional cutteri, panamensis, and nanoluteus grow-outs that came from my fish room.
 
Sorry to hear about your troubles mate. I don't have any pearls of wisdom top add, but I do hope that you are able to get it figured out. He looks super healthy otherwise, and the group looks amazing! Kudos to you raising such a nice group!
 
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That’s a frustrating issue. I once had a pair of angelfish that had this exact issue and I couldn’t treat it no matter what. They acted fine but always had red at the base of fins, streaks of red in their fins, and labored breathing.

A buddy of mine took them, and nonchalantly, dumped a ton of Kanaplex into their quarantine tank out of a tub without even measuring. I was sure they’d die but to my surprise, they were cured and he produced a ton of fry from them.

Not sure that’s an answer but just wanted to share a similar situation. I’m also not recommend anything crazy like overdosing Kanaplex like my friend but perhaps you can try separating the male into a quarantine tank and mixing nitrofurazone and Kanaplex together.
 
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phreeflow said:
A buddy of mine took them, and nonchalantly, dumped a ton of Kanaplex into their quarantine tank out of a tub without even measuring. I was sure they’d die but to my surprise, they were cured and he produced a ton of fry from them.
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Thank you P phreeflow . I moved a bunch of fish around in my fish room on Saturday to place him into a 75g as in the 265g even the little 3” nanoluteus and cutteri were picking at him at tail fins. I slowly raised the salt level throughout the day ultimately to getting to 1 tablespoon per 1 gallon then I tried a final dosage of kanaplex and nitrofurizone at the recommended dosage. He started to show signs of dropsy today with some raised scales around the head so I just euthanized him with clove oil. I don’t swap fish in my large display tanks so once they’re in generally for life. Kinda sad he didn’t quite make the 12” mark. The second picture shows the close up the redness in the pectoral fin which started it all 9 months ago. If you look at the last picture of him I posted in thread #1 you can see the redness starting to develop on the base of his pectoral fin. I placed him the freezer and will bring him to the veterinarian when she’s back from maternity leave.

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HUKIT said:
He started to show signs of dropsy today with some raised scales around the head so I just euthanized him with clove oil.
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So sorry to hear that HUKIT HUKIT Perhaps the fish was already suffering from internal damage, like kidneys failure, which may be why it developed dropsy. That may explain why it alone was showing signs of septicemia while the other fish were okay. You tried your best for that fish
 
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I was reading about what could cause systemic issues and came across aeromonas. Perhaps it could possibly be the culprit as a couple of the symptoms, among others, is:

“Septicemia of the blood resulting in red streaks, sometimes incorrectly diagnosed as a disease unto itself (AKA Red Pest), when in fact it is a symptom.”

“Infections of the kidneys resulting in Dropsy (this too can have other pathogenic causes)”

This is according to https://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/aeromonas--vibrio.html
 
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