That's good. I might go with John, should my lfs not get them in. Is 4'' good for starters?I ordered 8 4" wild greens from snookn21 at aquabid about 2 1/2 years ago. John is a great seller of wilds. I paid 450.00 plus shipping. look to pay a bit more for his 6" wilds. he acclimates and deworms all his fish before shipping.