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Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it. My opinion is that some people own animals for the wrong reasons including fish. Now I know this will stirr the pot and make me unpopular with some people but it's my opinion. Owning an animal only because it's mean or kills other animals is ignorant. I've been in the pet indusrty for over 15 years and it's sad how many stupid people I have seen buy oscars because they kill everything or pirahna because they have big teeth & bite fish in half. THis one guy use to come in about once a week to buy something mean to let it face off with his pirahna. THis dumb ass killed lots of neat fish for his entertainment. I'm sure that there's countless other examples but owning an animal just to watch it kill other animals really says somthing about that person. I own agressive fish and am impressed with how brutal thay can be at times but I am also impressed by thier personality, behavior and beauty. African cichlids are mean fish, I own them because of how beautiful some of them are and appreciate and respect others who feel the same. Why should fish be any differant than other pets? I realise that the thread was about feeders, why can't you feed them to your fish, it's your fish do what you want. But let me pose this, why do you want to? It's (or should be by now) common knowladge that feeders carry parasites and disease and are often loaded with chemicals that are harmful to the fish that eat them. Most if not all predator fish will eat prepaired food that is much more healthy than feeders and with out the disease risk. I think some people should re evaluate why they have pets in the first place....

Joel
 
rallysman said:
I think its pretty dumb to possibly kill something that you have dumped a ton of time and money into (let alone the fact that it is YOUR PET and a LIVING CREATURE). I didnt say I didnt think you should do it, I made a comment that was intended for you to think about. If you want to feed nothing but live food thats fine. I dont.





I've certainly heard dumber things in my life. If that is the dumbest thing you have ever heard you really should get out more :grinyes:
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Look guys all i'm saying is not all fish can eat dead or pellet food so if you have a bunch of preds in the same tank it's more logical to feed them feeders. I know for sure having a Florida Gar for over a year and trying to feed him many alternatives they just don't want anything but live food. Plus there is a huge difference between feeding dogs and cats live food and feeding fish live food.
 
That might not be the dumbest thing I ever heard, but it still is pretty stupid. ;)
 
RobD23 said:
Look guys all i'm saying is not all fish can eat dead or pellet food so if you have a bunch of preds in the same tank it's more logical to feed them feeders. I know for sure having a Florida Gar for over a year and trying to feed him many alternatives they just don't want anything but live food. Plus there is a huge difference between feeding dogs and cats live food and feeding fish live food.
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Here we can be hated together..... I don't say this with anger I only say what I see as a truth.

I've kept gars and they all will eat pellets or frozen. I don't feed live and I know that the frozen foods we feed were live but why do you want to see the little fish killed in front of you? it's to satisfie your blood lust. If you don't belive me think about how many people throw in the feeders and turn away.... none that I know. If you don't turn away then you enjoy the killing of the feeders. If you say you are studying their behaveure then I have to ask where is your note book?

I don't have a problem with others using feeder fish because it's nature but don't lie to yourself about why you use feeders and if you are so concerned about getting exercise for your fish set it free :ROFL:
 
i have been using different food for my rbps and they love it i even see growth in them i guesss the word is surprise to let them see what they have to hunt
 
Everybody makes their own choices and there are some sadists who keep fish, and there are lots of people who are willing to call anyone who uses live foods a sadist. There are even quite a few who will debate the morality of keeping fish at all. Predators take living food by preference, if I choose to keep them I will give them at least some of what they prefer. Some people like agressive fish, I like hunters, some of the hunters I like are a bit extreme, like the Phago maculatus and the Belanosox belizarius, These fish are obligate killers, if it does not move they will not eat it. Several of the stalk and pounce hunters are like that, if you don't like it don't keep them.
 
Oddball said:
I use a 4 bin rotation to quarantine bait minnows. I don't use feeder goldfish because the copper levels in them will kill my AST, albino RES, brackish/marine predators, and the large inverts I maintain. And, they can cause liver damage to my FW predators, as well. With fish like my albino aethiopicus, pair of AULs, 7 mbu puffers, 15 dragon puffers, leichardti aro, Siniperca, 30 polys, 6 Af & SA lungfish, plus a few thousand other fish... why risk their health?

I breed LBs to have food available for young fish. But, I'd need a couple of large ponds to be able to supply the couple of thousand live fish I feed out every week.
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HOLY CRAP UR PERSONAL GALLERY IS EMPTY post some pics of all ur fish (15) MBU PUFFERS THATS INSANE u gottah post pics all over everywhere ASAP
 
If you're against using live food, where do you draw the line? who are you to say that feeding a gar guppies is worse/more cruel than feeding baby fish live brine? or feeding corals live phytoplankton? those are both living, moving creatures like fish. Is that sadistic? Or is feeding crickets to an aro any better than guppies? come on, this is ridiculous. I think your primary concern should be for the health of your fish, not on the morality of its diet. If you can't tolerate feeding live in certain situations, you really shouldn't be doing this. When I throw some 'poor defenseless guppies' in with my FW barracuda, I'm not 'satisfying my blood lust', I'm satisfying that of my fish. Thousands, sometimes millions of years of evolution have shaped these fish into efficient predators of an available source of food--smaller fish. Can you honestly expect a fish such as this to have anything approximating a natural existence without ever encountering and hunting what it would eat in nature. The answer is no, a fish whose diet would be made up almost entirely of live fish is not going to behave, look, or feel the same if it is fed pellets its whole life. Of course, in most cases, 'non-living' food (which of course was alive at some point), will make up the majority of a healthy diet, as it should, but I feel in some cases supplemental feedings of feeder fish are necessary and beneficial to the overall health of a predatory fish.
 
Isn't just knowing that a fish is a predator enough? Who gives a $h*T whether it eats live food or not?
 
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