Sexing Argentea?

[aclockworkorange]

That's perfectly fine. I just found it interesting and was hoping to be able to read the source info myself. No worries if you don't remember.

Just a gentle word of advice - try not to tell people to "go keep convicts"....it's not even fair to convicts.

As for your original question, MM was "spot on" in post #7.

I didn't say "go keep convicts." I said if you want fish you can just keep together that will breed for you, keep convicts. They're one of the few fish I've seen breed in overstocked holding tanks in conditions that were in no way set up for breeding. IME they are a great fish for someone who wants to start out breeding.
He expressed dismay regarding the information that vieja might be hard to pair/breed. Personally, I look forward to the challenge of breeding a difficult fish because it is more rewarding. I was also just giving chrisplosian a hard time, we got our fish from the same local supplier, and we've talked a bit about them. But, something directed specifically to him doesn't really need to be commented on by you, does it? It was more of a joke anyway, we all know he's not going to take his vieja back over this thread.

Lastly, I know YOU keep/kept argentea. So you popping in on this thread and really not contributing anything doesn't say much for you, does it? Am I not worthy of your actual knowledge on the subject? You could give your personal experience with the species like I originally asked. It would be a very welcomed and respected opinion. There are no hard feelings on this end of the computer screen over it b

 

[aclockworkorange]

That's perfectly fine. I just found it interesting and was hoping to be able to read the source info myself. No worries if you don't remember.

Just a gentle word of advice - try not to tell people to "go keep convicts"....it's not even fair to convicts.

As for your original question, MM was "spot on" in post #7.

Here, my internet is working better now...

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=92
Gender Differences: Monomorphic

http://www.cichlidexplorer.com/vieja-argentea/
Gender Differences: Monomorphic

And since you value Modest_Man's opinion on the subject...
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222881
Thread Title: sexing vieja argentea
Post #2: Vent it. Only sure way to go. Once they hit 8-10" you can get a pretty good guess by growth rate and size. Other than that they're pretty sexually monomorphic.
--From Modest_Man



Does that answer your question? Just a gentle word of advice... before you hop on a thread for whatever your reasoning was, without contributing anything helpful, ask yourself WHY?

 

[peathenster]

I did have a male argentea for a while. Wasn't able to find a female for him, so I gave him back. I still get to see him from time to time. Very cool fish.

MM answered your question perfectly and there's no need to add more. I did find the notions that they are monomorphic and that all Vieja species are very hard to bound to be interesting, and wanted to learn more. Just asking for the source in case you remember.

 

[aclockworkorange]

Where did you get these interesting ideas from?

Do the two fish MM showed you in post #7 look IDENTICAL to you?

Have you tried all the Vieja species and found they were all difficult to bond, and "argentea in particular"?

If the answer is yes to either of these questions, no, I won't disagree. If not, I'm curious about the source of the information.

I did have a male argentea for a while. Wasn't able to find a female for him, so I gave him back. I still get to see him from time to time. Very cool fish.

MM answered your question perfectly and there's no need to add more. I did find the notions that they are monomorphic and that all Vieja species are very hard to bound to be interesting, and wanted to learn more. Just asking for the source in case you remember.

Yes, but your clearly did it in a tone that was rather snide and condescending. If you want to pretend you didn't, then fine. Maybe I can work on being more clear about information sources, and you can work on tact.

 

[peathenster]

Here, my internet is working better now...

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=92
Gender Differences: Monomorphic

http://www.cichlidexplorer.com/vieja-argentea/
Gender Differences: Monomorphic

And since you value Modest_Man's opinion on the subject...
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222881
Thread Title: sexing vieja argentea
Post #2: Vent it. Only sure way to go. Once they hit 8-10" you can get a pretty good guess by growth rate and size. Other than that they're pretty sexually monomorphic.
--From Modest_Man

Why do you believe random words from internet sites with no reference more than your own eyes?

MM has obviously learned more. We all do. For details, see post #7.

Does that answer your question? Just a gentle word of advice... before you hop on a thread for whatever your reasoning was, without contributing anything helpful, ask yourself WHY?

If I have new info to contribute, I contribute, and I have done my share. When I have questions, I ask, and I learn. I didn't know you don't like people asking questions on your thread, but I'll certainly keep this in mind in the future.

 

[peathenster]

Yes, but your clearly did it in a tone that was rather snide and condescending. If you want to pretend you didn't, then fine. Maybe I can work on being more clear about information sources, and you can work on tact.

I didn't think they are monomorphic and that all Vieja species are hard to bond. Perhaps my questions came across the wrong way for this reason. But it doesn't matter what I think. Facts are facts. Hence the question about source.

 

[peathenster]

I did find info claiming they are hard to pair and so are Synspilum. Also found info saying Maculicauda is less aggressive and easier to spawn. There seems to be lots of conflicting info.

Take this as an example. I assumed he found this online somewhere. When you see this, would you not feel weird, perhaps half upset, and ask for source?

 

[Chrisplosion]

Take this as an example. I assumed he found this online somewhere. When you see this, would you not feel weird, perhaps half upset, and ask for source?

Yeah on a couple different sites.

 

[aclockworkorange]

Why do you believe random words from internet sites with no reference more than your own eyes?


MM has obviously learned more. We all do. For details, see post #7.



If I have new info to contribute, I contribute, and I have done my share. When I have questions, I ask, and I learn. I didn't know you don't like people asking questions on your thread, but I'll certainly keep this in mind in the future.

IF I believed "random words" from internet sites (and apparently MFK is no longer a credible source by your standards?), then WHY would I post a thread asking questions about it titled "sexing argentea?"


You do realize I posted post 1 about them being monomorphic before modest man posted his post 7? How am I supposed to KNOW if I haven't kept them long, only have access to information though other people I know and the internet, and a lot of this info verifies it (even if it's wrong), even by members on this forum considered to be knowledgeable in the subject by yourself?

I can clearly see the differences in posted pictures of a paired adult argentea, I even posted a picture in post 2. My question wasn't: what does a mature adult pair of argentea look like and how can I tell them apart?

It was: "I know they are essentially monomorphic gender-wise, especially when younger (males are bigger than females when mature, yes?), but does anyone have any techniques they've found to sex them?
And what size should I be looking at for them to pair up?

I was looking for specific info on raising them from a small size, what to look for sexing, and when I could expect them to pair up.

As far as you asking me questions, that's totally fine. Chrisplosian asked me a question and I answered. Had you asked me anything relevant or helpful like how long have I had them, how big are they, what size tank, how are they acting now, etc etc, I would have gladly answered. I am more than glad to answer questions on my posts, you can read my sticky post in the setup section and read 10 pages of questions I've answered for people:
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357979

 

[aclockworkorange]

Take this as an example. I assumed he found this online somewhere. When you see this, would you not feel weird, perhaps half upset, and ask for source?

No, I would not feel "weird" or "half upset" and ask to see a source... If I thought differently I would just be helpful and say so and explain why.

ONLY saying "oh chrisplosian, hmm where did you find that interesting information?" is NOT doing anything for anyone.

That's like me going up to a police officer and asking "do you think it's a good idea if I were to slap a child across the face and then spit on his mother?" and him responding "Hmm, where did you get that interesting idea?" and then walking away.