All of them should be banned. How many die from collection>wholesales>retail for every one that reaches a store? If you've never worked in the business you'd be shocked. These aren't red tail cat that can be bred.
Sharks that should be banned from public sale
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Well, you could pose that argument about most marine fish. It's hard to draw a line at what's "wrong" to sell. People kill a lot more tangs, angels, etc than sharks in the marine hobby.
Joeygee23;4894286; said:
Actually many shark species can be bred and they all shouldn't be ban. I mean come on, just cause you don't think someone can keep a shark doesn't mean it can't be done well. I happen to keep lemons, White tips, a black tip and a bull quite well. Just ask zoodiver. Its people like you that know nothing about sharks that ruin it for good keepers like jabba,mattieJ, myself etc.. Just like the other guy said tons of reef fish die during collection and transport too. Maybe all fish should be ban then too. If your going to make broad comments like that base it on what you know not what you think. Ya dope.
Agreed, turbo.
Many of the best sharks suited for private aquarists also are able to be bred in captive. Species like Bamboo sharks, Epaulette sharks, Horn Sharks & catsharks have noted successes in being bred in captivity - and most can be done so in saltwater ponds of less than 2,000 gallons.
And many of the larger sharks - like Nurse, Blacktip Reef, Whitetip, and Bonnetheads have been successfully bred in public aquariums.
Many of the best sharks suited for private aquarists also are able to be bred in captive. Species like Bamboo sharks, Epaulette sharks, Horn Sharks & catsharks have noted successes in being bred in captivity - and most can be done so in saltwater ponds of less than 2,000 gallons.
And many of the larger sharks - like Nurse, Blacktip Reef, Whitetip, and Bonnetheads have been successfully bred in public aquariums.
Jabba, on this one I am bias. But I could not disagree with the slippery slop part of this comment more. The government regulates millions of things every day. To include sharks. This is the same argument the NRA and others use all the time. “Oh no the government cant outlaw automatic weapons because that is the slippery slope to taking away all our guns” It is very simple for particular species to be banned from privet ownership without excluding Turbos sharks.
Dean I don’t hate you but I do find your comment sad. Just because you don’t feel the same way about save the pet campaigns is no reason to bash their cause. I myself have always been an environmentalist keeping the world clean for all animals and humans alike is more important to me then anyone’s cause for pets or children. Because I have always felt that way I chose a career that allowed me to pursue that. But I don’t get angry when others have a cause that they fight for that is not mine, in fact seeing that makes me want to do more for what I believe in. Maybe you all ready work on stopping child neglect I dont know, but if not I would suggest putting more time into that and then you wont have to watch and read save the pet campaigns and any other cause that does not draw your passion.
But now to address the topic of the thread. I do feel that some sharks should be banned based on their conservation status. (And I am learning a good bit about this in the next few weeks) I think we still live in a free market so if someone has the means money and ability they should be able to own something they can care for, but not at the cost of the species. And on this issue I would lean on the conservative side saying that is any animal is listed as Near Threatened or higher than none should be keep in captivity. (Unless it was a viable breading program with the intentions of help reestablish the species.)
I do have a hard time believing that a true pelagic shark could be keep by any one, ie... oceanic white tip, Blue, White, ext ext. (zoo now is where you tell me I don’t know what I am talking about and there are several aquariums holding these sharks just fine, but just incase you dont say that) I know that several public aquariums have tried to keep blues without much success. I know the NJ aquarium I am at had one for 7 months before it died. That was is in a 750,000 gl tank with a team of biologist to attend to its health. But this is not to say that all pelagic sharks can’t live in captivity the Silky shark at the NJ aquarium is doing great. So I would say that if there are sharks that history has proven that they are unable to live in captivity they should also be banned regardless or their conservation status. Because there are people out there that would take an animal that they have no prayer at keeping alive and jam it into a tank just so they can say they had one even if it only lived a week.
well we all have our opinions and beliefs, thats why America is so great, we are still free to disagree and hopefully get along anyways.jayfb;4894719; said:
At least we dont have to worry about things like the middle east, right?btw Jayfb I dont watch those those save the pet adds and such unless they are linked as in the above. haha, I'm done on this thread.
Jay, I totally appreciate your point of view, and I was perhaps too cliche in my response. I do concur that most animal sales should be regulated, but a blanket ban is just a bad idea. Permitting process perhaps? But then it's creating a new federal regulatory agency... and it's own mess.
The really sad part is that this problem could be readily avoided if fish stores and private individuals could better restrain themselves from making a quick buck or having a "cool" pet that they know nothing about.
And America needs automatic weapons, for hunting today's super animals... the electric eel... the flying squirrel...
The really sad part is that this problem could be readily avoided if fish stores and private individuals could better restrain themselves from making a quick buck or having a "cool" pet that they know nothing about.
And America needs automatic weapons, for hunting today's super animals... the electric eel... the flying squirrel...
I do have to agree that the government placing bans on stuff like this is always a really bad idea. I think that education is always a much better way to go about doing things. I think of freshwater rays out here are banned and I know of a few keepers that have them illegally. The ban has not stopped the importation it has just sent it underground and when someone needs to get rid of the illegal animal it never ends well for the animal.
The gun example is classic. I have an AK-47 in my home state of Wisconsin that I used as an extremely reliable hunting rifle. It was always semi auto and I would never want it not to be, but in California there is a blanket ban on the AK-47. Which is funny because I can have a SKS that shoots the same round and has the same capacity to be turned full auto and they sell like 250 round drum clips for them online.
I just think the OP is funny because whoever it is is posting this thing everywhere and bringing up these discussions yet does not really weigh in on the issue. Also like I said earlier it is hard to be considered a rescue when you keep teh animal in substandard conditions. The proper term here looks more to be a hoarder.
The gun example is classic. I have an AK-47 in my home state of Wisconsin that I used as an extremely reliable hunting rifle. It was always semi auto and I would never want it not to be, but in California there is a blanket ban on the AK-47. Which is funny because I can have a SKS that shoots the same round and has the same capacity to be turned full auto and they sell like 250 round drum clips for them online.
I just think the OP is funny because whoever it is is posting this thing everywhere and bringing up these discussions yet does not really weigh in on the issue. Also like I said earlier it is hard to be considered a rescue when you keep teh animal in substandard conditions. The proper term here looks more to be a hoarder.
