shop certification
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Although I agree that potentially large fishes end up in the wrong hands much too often, enforcement will be a difficult hurdle. How is an employee supposed to verify tank size of customers? Honestly, fish have to be "humanized" to achieve the respect they deserve. But as noted in this thread, fish are just fish (a hard lesson when you ship fish in the US via Airplane and your fish get layed over, again and again and again, b/c they are just fish!).
You need to just be responsible and try to make your shop be as responsible as possible. On my list of the US, I would ban: Pacu, Silver Aro, TSN, RTC, Marble Shovelnose. The retail price of these fish make them disposable to customers. Most other monsters are too expensive to be careless about. The hobby would be fine without these fish, esp the pacu and RTC.
I would support a ban on those fish, before I would support some b.s. certification that would be impossible to enforce.
You need to just be responsible and try to make your shop be as responsible as possible. On my list of the US, I would ban: Pacu, Silver Aro, TSN, RTC, Marble Shovelnose. The retail price of these fish make them disposable to customers. Most other monsters are too expensive to be careless about. The hobby would be fine without these fish, esp the pacu and RTC.
I would support a ban on those fish, before I would support some b.s. certification that would be impossible to enforce.
well I just came back from wtc here in newyork there is a petland now I dont like them all that much but was bored so took a stroll I have a fx5 filter on my 240 and its stricktly for biological reasons I have another coming for more chem and cleaning the dumb manager didnt even know how to set up the diff medias when the damn thing comes with a dvd and a book in like 10 diff languges unreal people I think they all should have to take a coarse or learn to read their products and how to use them before they display and try to help out and mess you up. P.S. I already knew how to just got bored and had to see the intelligence level
While i agree that big fish many times are sold to people who don't know how to care for them properly, a certification (if on a voluntary basis) would make costumers go to a shop where there are no certification.
If it was mandatory, we have a problem as to how to enforce such a rule, how should it be implemented, as an exam?, as a class? or something else.
But, banning fish is not the way to go either in my opinion, yes, many people buy a pacu for their 55 not realizing how big it gets, but you do have some that can take proper care of them, so should they be denied to keep it because some cant take proper care of it??
It is a difficult problem for sure and i'm not sure how to best solve it, a possible solution might be to increase the retail price to a point where only the really dedicated would pay.
I realize that enforcing that would be just as difficult.
As i said, a difficult problem!
If it was mandatory, we have a problem as to how to enforce such a rule, how should it be implemented, as an exam?, as a class? or something else.
But, banning fish is not the way to go either in my opinion, yes, many people buy a pacu for their 55 not realizing how big it gets, but you do have some that can take proper care of them, so should they be denied to keep it because some cant take proper care of it??
It is a difficult problem for sure and i'm not sure how to best solve it, a possible solution might be to increase the retail price to a point where only the really dedicated would pay.
I realize that enforcing that would be just as difficult.
As i said, a difficult problem!
viking252200;2115204; said:
That is too bad for those that do know how to take of the fish, I would say that it is less than .1% of people that buy a pacu are truly willing AND able to care for it for life.
Increase retail is impossible, in the US, people buy pacu's at WalMart! do you think WM will agree to a mandatory retail price? and again, enforcement.
the dont need a ban on selling fish they just need to fully inform the customer also dont shop at petland stores they sell puppy mill dogs and they one by me was closed in 3 months and they wont back any of their warranties after they close
It would be wrong to ban big fish as it would be unfair on people like us who can properly house them but perhaps there should be a fine on people bringing fish back in and then that fine would go to some sort of big fish rehoming scheme.
a fine? no, that would just encourage people to release in the wild.
inform purchasers? c'mon, obviously that is not working, even in stores that do inform, people still buy RTC's, etc. who can really care for one those things for life? 1 out of 10,000 buyers? Just ban em.
inform purchasers? c'mon, obviously that is not working, even in stores that do inform, people still buy RTC's, etc. who can really care for one those things for life? 1 out of 10,000 buyers? Just ban em.
I do not agree with a ban on them personaly as it would be unfair on those of us who can keep them and deny us the right to own such a magestic creature.
tank125;2115044; said:
Your saying that they should ban Pacu, Silver Aro, TSN, RTC, Marble Shovelnose, because they simply get too large for an average person to be keep.
How about Koi and Goldfish? They can get pretty big and I do see them cramp into a fish bowl or a 55G tank (koi)
How about Oscar? Tinfoil Barb? Columbian Shark? ID Shark? Paroon Shark? Common Flowerhorn? Redtail Black Shark? Silver Shark? Angel Fish? Gar? ClownKnife? RoyalKnife? and the list keep on going..
I know they have the potiential to GROW very LARGE!
Can you ban them all?
Why not just ban them ALL!
Then no fish will get to suffer >.>
