I've been wanting a panda oranda for the longest but from what I've read online a lot of them fade/wash out and don't stay panda forever. Actually these two small ranchus are from my dad lol, he's good at picking out tetras and geophagus for my SA tank but he's definitely no goldfish guy. At least he picked out two with OK body shapes. I'll prolly reason out why I couldn't keep the TVR one