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frnchjeep;1068695; said:
It's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact. I like your porsche, but I doubt it would appreciate a full size Monte laying a fender on it. I can't really see it doing very well crossing a stream, either. The "Import vs. Domestic" debate is one of my favorites. I'm ready whenever...:D

dont get me wrong i will only drive domestic but i gotta say many well built toyota 4x4s can and will go anywhere a domestic can offroad. but when was the last time any import ran a 1/4 mile in the 3-4 second range? oh wait, NEVER!:grinno:
 
dmopar74;1068822; said:
dont get me wrong i will only drive domestic but i gotta say many well built toyota 4x4s can and will go anywhere a domestic can offroad. but when was the last time any import ran a 1/4 mile in the 3-4 second range? oh wait, NEVER!:grinno:

I agree that Toyata is up there in their truck market. The Land Rover is a VERY capable rig. However, when you take things into consideration like simplicity, strength of driveline, building torque at low RPM's, availability of aftermarket parts, interchangeability of parts (example: ease of installation of a V8 from another manufacturer), costs of repair or inital cost of vehicle, they aren't on top. Any other toyota is IFS only, which makes for a more expensive lift, less articulation, and more parts to break. Also, the land rover is the only toyota that is small enough to compete with the wrangler on a tight trail.
 
frnchjeep;1068695; said:
It's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact. I like your porsche, but I doubt it would appreciate a full size Monte laying a fender on it. I can't really see it doing very well crossing a stream, either. The "Import vs. Domestic" debate is one of my favorites. I'm ready whenever...:D

i live in civilization....so no need to worry about having to cross streams.....i also doubt a monte would like a monte fender impacting it, but that's a moot point as a modern SUV can do WAY more damage to any car.

don't stick porsches in the "import" group, they are a supercar in every sense of the word......

and as far as "durability" in a crash.....these pics were taken when i got hit, a ford probe doing about 50mph hit me at at a 45 degree angle, the point of impact was my front right wheel (turned my tie rod into a horseshoe).....it then slammed against my passenger side and grinded toward my rear wheel, when it hit my rear wheel it ripped the entire front off the probe and left the engine laying in the street and his pass front wheel where his passenger seat was......i was launched backward over the curb which he beat me to and he ended up about 200 feet down the road........
no serious injuries......my 911 sustained only body damage and some bent wheels, it was back on the road in no time.

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it has nothing to do with whether the car is an import or not, the results are more than 50% driver, i guarantee someone not familiar with a 911 will loop it in their first corner if driving hard, same goes with an inexperienced driver lighting up the tires in the 1/4 mile the whole way down the track and wondering why his times were slow.......

sure v-8's can make mad power and many different parts are available to make it do whatever you want......but their still pushrod engines :D

to each his own though.......if you enjoy it then get out there and drive :)
 
bell;1069199; said:
i live in civilization....so no need to worry about having to cross streams.....i also doubt a monte would like a monte fender impacting it, but that's a moot point as a modern SUV can do WAY more damage to any car.

don't stick porsches in the "import" group, they are a supercar in every sense of the word......

and as far as "durability" in a crash.....these pics were taken when i got hit, a ford probe doing about 50mph hit me at at a 45 degree angle, the point of impact was my front right wheel (turned my tie rod into a horseshoe).....it then slammed against my passenger side and grinded toward my rear wheel, when it hit my rear wheel it ripped the entire front off the probe and left the engine laying in the street and his pass front wheel where his passenger seat was......i was launched backward over the curb which he beat me to and he ended up about 200 feet down the road........
no serious injuries......my 911 sustained only body damage and some bent wheels, it was back on the road in no time.

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it has nothing to do with whether the car is an import or not, the results are more than 50% driver, i guarantee someone not familiar with a 911 will loop it in their first corner if driving hard, same goes with an inexperienced driver lighting up the tires in the 1/4 mile the whole way down the track and wondering why his times were slow.......

sure v-8's can make mad power and many different parts are available to make it do whatever you want......but their still pushrod engines :D

to each his own though.......if you enjoy it then get out there and drive :)

did you read the earlier posts?
 
What's wrong with pushrods? lol
 
if i could afford a 911 believe me i would drive one but not ALL porches are supercars. many old porshes are practically vw bugs with different bodies. almost all the parts are interchangeable between the two.
 
frnchjeep;1069207; said:
did you read the earlier posts?

i guess not LOL :D

dmopar74.......ummmmm, i should've been more clear on the "supercar" comment and specifically said 911............with the introduction of the 911 (meaning post 356 i.e.1965)......porsche became it's own entity which built cars so they could go racing, to pay for racing they sold cars to customers, sure they had the 914 (a mid-engine dog), the 924/944/928 etc etc......but the 911 was their child and it has evolved over the years and simply got better and better.
the chassis of the 911 from 65-98 (that's 38 years) all are seemingly unchanged, the engine/suspension and other components are what had evolved around the chassis making it better and better.
porsche offered a "cheaper" version of the 911 which was called a 912 which had a 4-cyl engine in it.....but it wasn't a 911, and was way back around 1970.

no vw parts will bolt onto a 911.....i don't care what anyone says.....they are simply not even comparable to a vw......with the exception of using air/oil to keep the engine cool (which they stopped doing in 1991 iirc)....
you should do some research before making "bold" statements like that.........that's like saying a corvette is the same as a chevette with different body panels......

as far as being able to afford a 911......i have less than a new honda accord in mine, the general rule of thumb for 911's is that all between 1965-1991 are $20k cars, i bought mine for 12k and over the past 6 years have put about 6k into it.



rallysman......nothing wrong with pushrods, just old technology, they're perfect for muscle cars :D


and i have mopar in my blood too......here's my old glh
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didnt say 911 parts would bolt to a vw or vise versa. but i did say porshe. no need to go further into that, you get my piont as to saying not all porshes are supercars. love your mopar! i call those flying boxes! technically those are imports in the US though. basically a mitsubishi or some other make with the chrysler name put on em. still cool. got a 66 bug as well, so i guess you could say somewhere down the line i got porshe in me.
 
the dodge omni and the other mid-80's econo cars (k-car/lebaron/daytona) were all dodge. they were the vision of lee iacoca who saved the dodge/chrysler group from bankruptcy by securing govt. contracts.
the mitsu cars were the colt/champ/mirage then later the laser/eclipse.....the early mitsu engines were garbage.
the omni in the pic above was about 300hp at 24lbs of boost, it was also stripped of all non-essential gear except for a thin layer of carpet and tipped the scales at 1950lbs without the driver, it was a rocket....the "glh" which they were called stood for "goes like hell" officially.
best 1/4 mile time with my omni was a 12.9 with slicks......
the omni's to watch for are the numbered shelbly glh-s', shelby built 500 per year from the ground up in 85-85 iirc, they were only available in black and are bringing in prices of 6k-10k in near perfect state with matching numbers.
if you can find an 85-86 glh (not an s) that isn't rotted you can build one for less than 3K and eat civic si's/integras and the occasional vette for breakfast.....
i also know for a fact that a glh with 4 people in it can outrun a supercharged 3.8 gm :D

someday i plan to build another omni, after my next 911 :D
 
ok im not so great with 80s cars. so what was the import for plymouth that looked like a vw scirocco/ corrado. i saw one with a tag that said imported for plymouth and it looked mid 80s. i loved it, wife not so much.
 
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