Thanks guys, i actually have 4 rays, 1- 8 inch motoro and 3 teacups, they are temp in a 90 gallon but i am building them a tank right now, 8x4x2. I get them at a lfs about 1 hour away from my house, found a good hookup for anyone around ann arbor michigan area. Their teacups are 45.00 and the 8 inch motoro's are 150.00, I'm not sure thats a very good deal.....BUT on sundays all are half price and they are 1/2 price with buy 2 get one free, i know that has to be a good deal. 3 teacups for 50.00 or 3- 8 inch motoros for 150.00. they also have flordia rays on sunday for 3 for 100.00 and they are about 8-10 inches....anyone want to go with me next time let me know...........