Silurus Merdionalis thread

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I dunno...different specimens, genders, ages, origins, photo angles...I think there are way too many variables that may come into play to even try to determine hard and fast identities of these fish from pictures like this. Are the differences you describe really being illustrated here...or are you just hoping and imagining you see them? I'll be honest, even with you pointing them out, I sure can't see 'em.

Are these wild-caught fish? Or are they farmed? If the latter, the ever-present spectre of possible hybridization rears its head.

We have a genus of large and very similar-appearing catfish, found over a broad range, whose physical proportions and appearance likely changes considerably over the course of their long lives. We absolutely, positively must assign "correct" scientific designations to them because, hey, that's what aquarists and scientists do. These supposedly correct designations will almost immediately be challenged, debated, scrutinized, altered, re-organized, blah, blah, blah. Sorry, but I don't think there is the slightest hope of doing so based upon a bunch of casual snapshots taken by assorted amateur anglers and fishkeepers. This will take detailed observations, measurements, possible disections...and even then nothing remains engraved in stone.

It's trendy today to talk about species vs subspecies, about clades and species complexes and all kinds of sciency stuff...but it's all just artificial semantics. The fish are the fish, we will never come to permanent agreement what they are or should be called, we will forever debate where the lines are drawn between and within species within the same genus, subspecies within the same species, etc.

Relax...don't worry...be happy. :)
 
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You’re absolutely right that there are a lot of variables at play here—age, sex, region, even photo angle and lighting can all influence how these fish appear. And I agree, it’s risky to draw firm taxonomic conclusions from casual photos, especially without consistent, controlled conditions or known provenance.
That said, I think there’s still value in noticing patterns, even if they’re preliminary or speculative. Sure, maybe what someone thinks they’re seeing is influenced by confirmation bias, or by wanting to find a difference that might not be there. But that kind of observational curiosity is often what leads to deeper study.
I’m with you on the complexity, especially with a genus like Silurus, where slow growth, overlapping features, and possible hybridization (particularly in aquaculture) muddy the waters further. Farmed fish definitely introduce more variables—hybrids, selective breeding, etc, and if that’s the case here, then any superficial ID based on photos becomes even shakier.
In the end, yeah, scientific naming and classification are messy, ongoing processes, and I agree that nothing is final or absolute, especially based on online photos. But maybe there’s room for both caution and curiosity. We just need to be clear about where observation ends and hypothesis begins.
 
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And let’s be real, most of us hobbyists don’t have the tools or training to properly ID these fish. We’re not running genetic tests or working with museum specimens. We’re comparing grainy photos from different angles, different ages, and often with no real background info. Speculation is pretty much the best we can do sometimes. That’s fine—as long as we admit it’s just that: speculation. Hobbyist observations can still be useful, but we’ve got to be honest about the limits and stay open to being wrong. In the end, yeah, scientific naming and classification are messy, ongoing processes, and I agree that nothing is final or absolute, especially based on online photos. But maybe there’s room for both caution and curiosity. This thread is more so about differentiating asostus vs the meridionalis.
 
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I don’t like posting pictures with water stains on glass but just moved and didn’t have time to clean glass before school. Wels is getting big. Unheated right now. Steady temp around 68-72 with minimal fluctuations. Hoping this guys tail stays intact for the long haul!

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I don’t like posting pictures with water stains on glass but just moved and didn’t have time to clean glass before school. Wels is getting big. Unheated right now. Steady temp around 68-72 with minimal fluctuations. Hoping this guys tail stays intact for the long haul!

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Looks just like my first one! At that size mine took off in growth
 
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