Smoking Inside With Aquariums

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nothing like a smoking thread to bring out the righteous. enough said on my part. :)
 
pops said:
nothing like a smoking thread to bring out the righteous.
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I'm actually surprised how much attention this has gotten... Makes me wish I had more factual information to put up here.. Lol
 
RD. said:
The fact that a DVM says so, don't make it so.

And before all the anti smokers go crazy, first off I no longer smoke, and haven't in years. I am also not referring to dogs, cats, or birds - but specifically about fish. How much, if any, second hand smoke may possibly affect a fish would depend on numerous factors, such as the amount of daily/weekly smoke exposure, air flow and filtration in home, filtration in tank, filter media used (such as carbon), how well the tank is sealed from the outside environment, frequency of water changes, and volume of same, growth stage of fish, species of fish, and probably a long host of other variables that I haven't considered.

One of the greatest fishkeepers (RIP Don) that I've had the pleasure of knowing over the years was a heavy smoker. His fish always grew well, bred like rabbits, and lived what would typcally be considered the norm as far as longevity for the species in question. His fish room always had an ashtray or two in it, usually full of butts, and his 2000+ gallon systems filtration was all via air.

Smoking indoors isn't a great idea for numerous reasons, I'm just not one to jump on the bandwagon over something that a DVM feels. Plenty of DVM's have plenty of opinions that have never been scientifcally proven, but are stated online as though they are fact.
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Hello; Back in the 1970's a fellow in Harlan County KY had a fish shop in one of his greenhouses. He chain smoked. I smoked at the time. I never made a connection to the smoking and the fish. My assumption is that the second hand smoke will have some effect. But as you say, it is not necessarily so just because I believe it is likely.
Early on the internet was used a lot to allow scientific papers to have easier access to obscure data and experimental results. My guess is that a search engine or some such thing should exist for such data. If it does exist, I do not know how to find it. Perhaps someone studying a science major will have recent experience and can give us some pointers.
Back in the 1960's one of my part time jobs was working in the periodical section of the university library. I became experienced at finding relevant articles in scientific journals but it was a slow go. This was a before the Xerox type machines, so we made a lot of hand written notes.
As Bill Nye The science Guy said; extraordinary claims need to be back up by extraordinary evidence. Evidence trumps opinion.
 
i personally wouldnt be in favor of performing a study on this. because in the study the researchers will have to see how much smoke they can pump into a tank or into a room with a tank before fish start dying.
 
ehh said:
i personally wouldnt be in favor of performing a study on this. because in the study the researchers will have to see how much smoke they can pump into a tank or into a room with a tank before fish start dying.
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Hello; You are correct. Not only simply dying but lots of levels of exposure short of dying. Add to this a number of autopsies of what may be healthy fish to see if there may be harder to recognize internal efects.

There use to be film of experiments on the efect of tobacco smoke on rodents. A suction machine could draw smoke from multiple cigaretts and expose the rats and mice. No doubt it was cruel, but the results helped convince me to quit smoking.

Without evidence our opinions are speculation.
 
ehh ehh while I see your point and am personally against animal experimentation of any kind I would be interested to see the results from such a test. As an ARA I try avoiding products that have been tested on animals, however to completely avoid animal tested products, you wouldn't be able to keep animals. One of my cats have a condition called "Manx syndrome" and needs special food or he can't digest it, obviously someone would have had to fed cat/s 'X' amount of this food, then euthanized and dissected the cat/s to see if it was beneficial. Companies that make aquarium products have to use live fish in their testing to find out what/if there is a lethal 'overdose' amount... Animal testing is almost completely unavoidable if you keep animals.. Please don't think I'm being rude - I'm not, I'm just pointing out something that many ARA's don't think about. :)
 
skjl47 said:
Hello; Thanks for the links. Evidence.
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Yup. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for...

Anyone else got more of this stuff? :)
 
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