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Such beautiful discus... Shame they are in a cramped bare tank, ever consider plants? Even fake plants? And driftwood also.
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first, if you think the discus cna't keep in neutral or alkaline water, then it shows your igorance in discus.
second, front is slow grower and when it grows out i will simply take it to a bigger tank, don't worry.
third, i don't know your waterline arguement, please explain if you like.
fourth, i hope you know the catfish is called Synodontis lucipinnis, which is a docile fish in day and night time.
fifth, there is no oscar
while the mix is strange, i do hope you shouldn't be too offending/ feel offended for your love of fish and your presuming attitude of "the mix doesn't work based on my perception". the combination will on-goingly change as i now have few tanks for logistic of fish in case they grow out. and throwing in the front is for fun, i'm sorry if it's offending. and the catfish and leopard ctenopomas are purposely trown in to clear the leftover of the discus to ensure the water quality, i'm sorry if this offends you too.
Above all, look at my discus, their looks tell you whether they are having good care or not, I have been keeping them since they were in the size of a coin...
first, if you think the discus cna't keep in neutral or alkaline water, then it shows your igorance in discus.
second, front is slow grower and when it grows out i will simply take it to a bigger tank, don't worry.
third, i don't know your waterline arguement, please explain if you like.
fourth, i hope you know the catfish is called Synodontis lucipinnis, which is a docile fish in day and night time.
fifth, there is no oscar
while the mix is strange, i do hope you shouldn't be too offending/ feel offended for your love of fish and your presuming attitude of "the mix doesn't work based on my perception". the combination will on-goingly change as i now have few tanks for logistic of fish in case they grow out. and throwing in the front is for fun, i'm sorry if it's offending. and the catfish and leopard ctenopomas are purposely trown in to clear the leftover of the discus to ensure the water quality, i'm sorry if this offends you too.
Above all, look at my discus, their looks tell you whether they are having good care or not, I have been keeping them since they were in the size of a coin...
first: i have mine breeding in hard water so trust me im not ignorant to the water parememter of the discus
second: doesnt matter if its a slow grower the front in with the discus at its current size is a bad idea
third: my water argument is that why is the water line that low? on purpose? or you dont do water changes and the water is slowly evaporating. if its low on purpose what is the purpose of it being low?
fourth: it doesnt matter if its doctile or not. discus stress easy and anything bumming them in the night will stress them out
fifth: if you read through your thread you would realize i accepted my mistakes on the 2 "oscar" and i even explained how i did.
the mix doesnt work isnt based on my perception its base on common knowledge of fish keeping and basice discus hospitality. your tank maybe on going but why not do things right the first time and saved the discus of future stress and risk their lifes? throwing in a front for fun makes as much sense as wrestling aa shark for fun. if you have any experience in fish keeping at all you would realize if you didnt overfeed you wont need a clean up crew. yea the clean up crew eats the leftover and stop it from rotting in the tank but so does removing the food. better yet dont feed so much. while the cleaners are eating the food theyre also dirtying up the water.
im sorry to offend you but there is a difference between a healthy fish and a thriving one.
Noted with thanks.
for point 1, so what is your point in saying that it is a horrible mix for front and discus in terms of water condition?
for point 2, noted. the front lives on its own, just eating and swimming but no fighting with discus. anyway i will keep in view the whole situation and will take out the front in case riot happens
for point 3, the waterline isn't low if you look at the photos; hope you're not talking about the height of the tank. And low or not low is a subjective and habitual judgement. but my experience tells me discus will have a higher risk of stressing out being kept in deep water than having unusual tankmates/ so-called nocturnal tankmates. and i do 50% water change every day as mentioned in the first post.
for point 4, yes, they're easily stressed out but over these months i can't sense any stress signal from my discus since the cats were introduced.
actually i'm thinking to move the cleaners (the leopards and cats) to my 24" tank when they grow large. please rest assured that all fish dirt remains in the tank will be sucked out immediately once discover, besides the routine water change.
yeah there's difference between healthy and thriving fish; and up till this moment i regard mine as both. and it's surely not offending if words are being said for mutual sharing.
for point 1: the front prefer harder water than the discus and yes discus can live in hard water and front can live in soft but generally its not optimal when its ptional
for point 2: i notice that in the first few pictures i see the discus all huddle in a corner and not as if they see you and asking for food but more of the front forcing them there (i could be wrong)
for point 3: the water line seems like its an inch from the brace of the tank in this pic http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=787477&d=1338465974 and i have no idea where you get the idea that discus get stress in deep tank but i doubt that the do.
for point 4: like said the cat is probably nocturnal so he will be swimming during the night and prbably stresses them out then without you noticing
im not saying yours arent healthy and arent thriving but when someone claims their fish are healthy i usually think whether its thriving or not. i dont mean to offend as this is a fish forum and many look for help and im happy to give it but when other wants to mix random fish because its "cool" seem immature and that theyre more of a fish haver than a fish keeper.
for point 2: i notice that in the first few pictures i see the discus all huddle in a corner and not as if they see you and asking for food but more of the front forcing them there (i could be wrong)
for point 3: the water line seems like its an inch from the brace of the tank in this pic http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=787477&d=1338465974 and i have no idea where you get the idea that discus get stress in deep tank but i doubt that the do.
for point 4: like said the cat is probably nocturnal so he will be swimming during the night and prbably stresses them out then without you noticing
im not saying yours arent healthy and arent thriving but when someone claims their fish are healthy i usually think whether its thriving or not. i dont mean to offend as this is a fish forum and many look for help and im happy to give it but when other wants to mix random fish because its "cool" seem immature and that theyre more of a fish haver than a fish keeper.
for point 1, well, as i said before, i don't intentionally adjust the PH, it's just the frequent water change makes a compromise for both.
for point 2, the discus come to me when i get near, the front has nothing to do with this (this happens when the front is not there)
for point 3, i was taught to do so when i started to raise them; anywayz, the waterline may well not be a critical issue.
for point 4, this may well be, i will keep in view though.
for your last remark, i wish to clarify that i never do things for being "cool", but just want to try things out and see if things work. maybe you think this is immature, but please rest assured that i won't put my fish's life at risk in the process
above all, thank you for your queries that make me reflective!
heres the thing with the front and discus. the front gets too big period. not to mention it will probably out compet the discus for food. as others have said its not a good mix so i dont get why you insist on it. i understand it varies by fish but its still not a good idea. like i said earlier why not don things right the first time instead of risking stressing the discus and having them sick?
