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A. agassizii "Netz/Alenquer" male is looking pretty good Sean, and I'm looking forward to photos of the daemon in about 6 months!

With your festivum, how are their tails the majority of the time? I shouldn't judge from single photos, especially when the tails are clamped, but they also appear slightly deformed. Other than that they're gorgeous, and you don't see nice festivum very often.

Lovely tank overall though, and a couple of nice yawning photos in there. Good quality photos overall actually, cheers for sharing!
 
japes;4125918; said:
With your festivum, how are their tails the majority of the time? I shouldn't judge from single photos, especially when the tails are clamped, but they also appear slightly deformed. Other than that they're gorgeous, and you don't see nice festivum very often.

Stay off the festivum. They are wild fish.
 
peathenster;4125968; said:
Stay off the festivum. They are wild fish.

Stay off them? Can't see how my query is anything other than valid, and no offence was intended - as I said, it's impossible to judge from a couple of still photographs.
 
japes;4125918; said:
A. agassizii "Netz/Alenquer" male is looking pretty good Sean, and I'm looking forward to photos of the daemon in about 6 months!

With your festivum, how are their tails the majority of the time? I shouldn't judge from single photos, especially when the tails are clamped, but they also appear slightly deformed. Other than that they're gorgeous, and you don't see nice festivum very often.

Lovely tank overall though, and a couple of nice yawning photos in there. Good quality photos overall actually, cheers for sharing!


thanks. im really digging the A. agassizii, i've got 6 but the large male is the only one cooperating for photos. the others, im no apisto expert, are a little more difficult to sex since they're smaller than him.

as for the festivum, they do like to clamp their tails but what part do you mean looks deformed? they do clamp their tails when turning or confronting one another.





thanks for the comments about my shots, compared to yous, they're crap. it was easy to get the yawn shots with them. i took these pics around 11:30, they must have been tired lol

i dont think peter meant to come across as so defensive in his post. they did come from him ;) they are awesome fish. i have one large one who shows completely different coloration than the smaller ones, less yellow on the body and more pink/red in anal, but is a little harder to photograph. it also came from another person in our club.
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japes;4126043; said:
Stay off them? Can't see how my query is anything other than valid, and no offence was intended - as I said, it's impossible to judge from a couple of still photographs.

That was a query?

Oh I'm so sorry. My bad. I apologize. I just really get ticked off when people say I pass deformed fish onto my friends. Of course they don't mean offense. It's must be my childhood issues.

I also somehow confused it with one of those baseless attacks where people smear others' fish to show how they themselves are so much more knowledgeable and care so much more about their own fish. It's particularly insulting that many of them have never seen a wild fish, don't know squat about what they are talking about, and don't care how they make others feel about their fish - their pride and joy. I obviously misunderstood your post and, please, forgive me.

To address your query though, I bought them from Grey, who handles all online orders for one of the largest fish importers in the US. He sold them to me for $8 a piece as wild fish. I trusted him -
1) because he has been brutally honest with me;
2) because he has 2 negative reviews out of 500 on Aquabid;
3) because they always quarantine wild fish for weeks before selling them and never do so unless their are in good condition;
4) because I've bought thousands of dollars worth of fish from them and received zero deformed ones;
5) because more than once he has refused to take my money for fish that were 10x more expensive than these because he thought they weren't ready
6) because he is also selling tank raised M. festivum for $2 less than these and I didn't think he would risk their impeccable reputation for merely 2 dollars
But of course I didn't see these fish born in the wild, grow in the wild, and caught from the wild. Some random people on the internet could very well know something that I don't.

The vast majority of people on this site don't comment that other people's fish are deformed unless they are absolutely certain, because it's easy to run their mouths but so much harder to live with the doubt that something might be wrong with their fish. After all, this is a hobby that we do for fun, not a contest to see who's got the best-looking and rarest fish.

If you don't understand this, I suggest that you tell every guy you meet on the street how ugly their wives look, and make/share a photolog of your face.

One final note - please don't feel bad. I post so many negative and derogatory comments on others' fish and nobody likes me anyways. I really should try to solve me real-life problems...
 
I love your fish photos. I have some of the same fish you have so it's fun to see what other peoples fish look like. Thanks for posting. They all look great.

as for the festivum. IMO they all have a kind of deformed look too them that's just how they are. As they mature they get the rounder head and A bit of a beak. They are just odd shaped cichlids. The young ones you might be use to seeing look a bit differant from the mature ones. So maybe that's why he asked about them.
 
HiImSean;4126258; said:
i dont think peter meant to come across as so defensive in his post. they did come from him ;) they are awesome fish. i have one large one who shows completely different coloration than the smaller ones, less yellow on the body and more pink/red in anal, but is a little harder to photograph. it also came from another person in our club.
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Oh I believe he did, his passive aggressive post riddled with sarcasm sums it up for me, and I'm not going to bother responding to him, because the third photograph you've posted eliminates my query.

Thankfully you've taken the criticism constructively Sean, and proved me wrong. As I said in my first response, the tails are clamped, but I wasn't sure with the hard rays as they appeared a little wonky. Unfortunately we get a lot of issues over here with poor quality fish, leucosticta especially, with tails with deformed hard rays that makes them permanently clamped, instead of the usual minor stress/disturbance related clamping that makes it appear that way like in your case.

Bolded that for you peathenster, perhaps get some sleep before you fly off the rails, hey? Sorry for unintentionally derailing your thread Sean.
 
Great pics and really good looking specimens!
 
japes;4127699; said:
Bolded that for you peathenster, perhaps get some sleep before you fly off the rails, hey? Sorry for unintentionally derailing your thread Sean.

All I'm saying, Japes, is that you should not have commented on other people's fish being deformed when you were not absolutely certain.

It's simple something that one does not do.

Same fish when younger:
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