Something terrably wrong with Endlicheri (video)

[Infblue]

i'm not sure if we have that in the US, and i haven't used something with that particular active ingredient before, but since it's a broad spectrum antibiotics, it'll be good to use. So follow the dosage and see what happens.

It's hard to say if it'll work for sure or not, but that's always the case with bacterial infection and antibiotics, sometimes certain ones work better than others, and even if you have success with a particular antibiotics, it's not guaranteed that it'll always work every single time. Just have to try. If one doesn't work, try another.

Also add salt. The salt concentration i use is 1 teaspoon per US gallon (1.2 US gal = 1 imperial gal). i've read that the commonly accepted dosage is 0.3%, i.e. 3 teaspoons per US gallon, and the suggested method to administer this is add in 3 equal increments over 3 days (so 1 tsp/US gal per day for 3 days), but i haven't used that high dosage yet.

 

[mike_sema]

not cool hope he makes it

 

[AmaroSwe]

The endy that first showed symptomes still looks like **** but somehow looks a bit stronger now, as if the worst par is over.

The smaller one that recently showed symptoms is now worse than before, When it swimed for air i saw its belly and it was red/blood... the red lines on the scales are worse than it was 2 days ago...

Im now starting 2 wonder if the problem is bacterial infection or if it is ammonia as i was warned for before because the symptoms are very similar..

So if thats the case, if it is amonia. What can i do to fix it?

This is the last day for the antibiotic treatment. Im gonna do a waterchange and plugg in the filters tonight. So i would like 2 know what 2 do tomorow..

I dont however regret that i used antibiotics because we now can be sure that its not bacterial infection.

 

[Infblue]

when you said you're gonna plug in the filters, does that mean your tank has no filtration while you're treating the tank? How long was the treatment? Or do you still have some type of filters running?

if it's ammonia, i guess the fix would be to up the water change while you figure out the cause. bioload too high? not enough filtration? feeding too much? if you have substrate, do you vacuum it regularly? water change schedule? etc just throwing out some ideas. do you have an ammonia test kit so you can tell if it's ammonia problem?

But to be honest, i don't think this necessarily rules out bacterial infection. I have tried treating with multiple antibiotics before that in the end didn't work, but was most certainly bacterial infection. And septicemia can get worse fast like what you saw with the smaller endli.

i think what you should do after the water change is monitor the ammonia level. if the level is good, but the fish shows no improvement, then it's most likely not ammonia. IMO it's easier to rule out if it's ammonia than to rule out bacterial infection.

 

[AmaroSwe]

I had strong powerhead in the tank for filtration of the water so no worries, i had the filter working in a bucket, the treatment was for 4 days, i just finished the treatment by changing 30% of the water and pluging the filters in again.

I trew in some salt after the waterchange 2, i got the tip that salt would help take out some of the toxins in their bodys if it is amonia -i have no tests but i will buy tomorow.

bioload too high? not enough filtration? feeding too much? if you have substrate, do you vacuum it regularly? water change schedule?

Nope, nope, sometimes but not 2 much, yes -i vacuum every time i change the water, i change water 2 times every week 40% waterchange. I have ALLOT of plants in the tank aswell that helps against nitrates n stuff.

But to be honest, i don't think this necessarily rules out bacterial infection. I have tried treating with multiple antibiotics before that in the end didn't work, but was most certainly bacterial infection. And septicemia can get worse fast like what you saw with the smaller endli.

i think what you should do after the water change is monitor the ammonia level. if the level is good, but the fish shows no improvement, then it's most likely not ammonia. IMO it's easier to rule out if it's ammonia than to rule out bacterial infection.

your right, i will test amonia levels tomorow.

I will post pics now and explain what just happend today so wait a minute if u are reading this right now

 

[AmaroSwe]

Okay, here comes some more info.

The big endy that first got sick looks allot better now after the treatment, but the smaller one that recently got sick was found dead, when i came home around 2 hours ago i found it lying upside down, broke my heart in 1000 peaces man..

I guess that these pictures and my new finding will explain what the problem is, you see when i tock the fish out and moved it around on the paper 2 take pictures i found blood but no open wound.. I massaged the fish stomache and pressed down 2 the analopening, and blood came out. Internal bleeding..

I guess that this is something worse then i thought before?

Pictures:

 

[peewee]

that sucks! sorry.