Sorry. Better pictures. Is this a trimac? Help me.

[dogofwar]

+1

It's not possible to tell whether it's truly a trimac or a flowerhorn visually, no matter how good the picture or how many people are "sure"...

Matt

Here's the deal with trimacs... Unless you can trace lineage back to the wild via true trimac parents you can't say yes or no on whether or not they are a trimac from just a picture. Where did you purchase it from and you should try and trace back the lineage and if you can you won't have any issues in saying its a Mac.


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[cacichilds]

+1

It's not possible to tell whether it's truly a trimac or a flowerhorn visually, no matter how good the picture or how many people are "sure"...

Matt

Too be fair, I've never seen a FH with a deep green base, red eye & throat, proper dorsal, and only 3 spots (in the correct locations) and no no additional markings or spangles.

However, you are still right because there's a lot of mutts out there that might not be a FH per say but are a Amph/Vieja etc hybrid and will be close calls. But this fish shows the appearance of being strictly Trimac.

 

[the animal guy]

I don't accept that as a FH. And I see a Trimac mostly. I dont see it being a FH


If this one was a hybrid You should see heavy Trimac with something else.. So what else do you see?

And if you see a Trimac totally but in the back of your mind you assume it is hybrid then you should see it the same way for all cichlids that looks pure as !@#$

 

[the animal guy]

But it's cool if you need to depend on the seller to tell it what it is. That's what trusted sellers are for.

 

[dogofwar]

There's no visual way to assess the purity of a trimac or flowerhorn, the collection location of a Texas cichlid, etc.

Perpetuating the ideas that one can accurately guess these things and that one should assume that a fish is "pure" unless proven otherwise is both ignorant and contributing to the problem of poor / misidentification of fish.

Even with "trusted sellers" I want to know where they got the fish... Truly trustworthy ones will be honest and have legit answers. Others will not.

Matt

But it's cool if you need to depend on the seller to tell it what it is. That's what trusted sellers are for.

 

[s1c]

It's trimac alright.

 

[Chrisplosion]

OP never stated what it was purchased as. You are not gonna buy a fish as Flowerhorn and it turns out to be a Trimac. Personally I have seen enough low grade Flowerhorn to say thats what my opinion on this fish is. If the OP bought it as a Trimac and has no intention of breeding it with intent to distribute then I see no problem calling it a Trimac. If it was purchased as anything other than Trimac then its a Flowerhorn. Looks low grade ZZ Flowerhorn to me.

 

[the animal guy]

There's no visual way to assess the purity of a trimac or flowerhorn, the collection location of a Texas cichlid, etc.

Perpetuating the ideas that one can accurately guess these things and that one should assume that a fish is "pure" unless proven otherwise is both ignorant and contributing to the problem of poor / misidentification of fish.

Even with "trusted sellers" I want to know where they got the fish... Truly trustworthy ones will be honest and have legit answers. Others will not.

Matt

The seller does not stop the wild having cichlids run free to hybrize all they want. Why dont you ask Jeff Rapps where he get his fish when you buy it? And if it's wild, dig all the way to the guy who caught it and ask what the fish did all his life before it was caught. LOL If only you can ask the fish who his parents are...

If I was you, I need my fish's DNA. Or else I'll assume all my fish are hybrids..

Dogowar have you checked their DNA? If none of everyone's fish got their DNA checked, they ALL hybrids. ALL of them.. ALL of your wild fish are hybrids unless the Scientist looked at their DNA

 

[dogofwar]

Yes - I ask Jeff (or anyone else for that matter) about the provenance of fish that I buy.

F1 fish come from wild fish. Real wild fish don't magically appear in wholesalers' (or hobbyists') tanks.

For example, there are very, very few commercial exports from Nicaragua. The fish in the hobby from Honduras came from collecting trips by guys like Mo, Ken Davis and Rusty Wessel....so it's not hard to establish provenance to the fish from those trips / exports.

For whatever reasons, most people can't be bothered to maintain provenance, actual collection locations, etc.

This is really, really different than seeing a random fish on the internet and declaring it to be a trimac because it looks more like a trimac than a flowerhorn.

Matt

The seller does not stop the wild having cichlids run free to hybrize all they want. Why dont you ask Jeff Rapps where he get his fish when you buy it? And if it's wild, dig all the way to the guy who caught it and ask what the fish did all his life before it was caught. LOL If only you can ask the fish who his parents are...

If I was you, I need my fish's DNA. Or else I'll assume all my fish are hybrids..

Dogowar have you checked their DNA? If none of everyone's fish got their DNA checked, they ALL hybrids. ALL of them.. ALL of your wild fish are hybrids unless the Scientist looked at their DNA