south american cichlid tank
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I FULLY understand that YOU think its ok to do so (even though you probably wouldnt house your own fish that way), but I would NEVER recommend to someone familiar or NOT familiar with fish to keep an 8-10" fish in a 30x22 tank. NEVER..based on principle alone...and Id be willing to wager that 95% of the experienced people on here would NEVER do the same and understand the value of deterring others from doing so.
But hey, if you have nothing better to do than play devils advocate in forum discussions and go into pure semantics on what is physically possible without the well being of the animal involved, youre right, it will work just fine. An 8-10" fish in a 37 gallon tank will be a GREAT place compared to a deep fryer or in a 55g with a 12" dovii.
8-10" to me = 75g bare minimum.
I only recommend/ offer my 2 cents on housing the fish in what I think is proper, or suggest NOT housing them at all and I wouldnt offer advice that I myself wouldnt use.
I also fully understand all of this is subjective and people in different parts of the country/ world have different priorities placed on the well being of their pets...so its no biggie, just another viewpoint.
Price is irrelevant to being able to care for it properly. You are getting accurate advice that the syn needs to go. I agree with others that you need to invest in a larger tank if you wish to keep the others. If you are very attached to the syn, then a thought would be to sell the others and tank and use that money for a larger tank for your syn. You have plenty of options, but keeping what you already have in such a small tank is going to get some pretty negative feedback from people with experience trying to help you avoid a mistake they may have already made. The key word there being experience, most of us (I know I have) have learned the hard way that these things don't work and a few of us have done wrong by a few fish to learn that lesson along the way.
X fish, reaching X inches, in X size tank is math and if cichlids will teach you anything, it's that the rules don't always apply
sometimes they break them but rarely in our favor. If you like syn's that much here is a video you will enjoy. This member has 150 adults in his tank but he is working with a pretty large tank. Not trying to derail, just lighten the mood. Good luck on whatever you decide. [YT]aN60AMMuuow[/YT]
I'm very attached to the severum, I got him 2 years ago. He's the only fish that survived from when I got the tank to now.
Keeping almost any fish in a tank 3 times it's body size in lenght and more then 1 time it's body size in width will NOT have any negative effects on the well being of the fish whatsoever specially cichlids that are not a fast swimming species nor ORV shark species that need to constantly swim to breathe. I agree with you that keeping a severum in a 75g is better but if we are talking about housing it in a minimum size without causing negative effects to it's growth and health, it would be a 37 gal. Anything smaller would affect the well being of the fish.
I myself have kept many species of the similar size in a 40 gal and raised perfectly healthy specimens every time with not even a single fish stunnted or deformed, with perfect shape, health and colors.
So again a larger tank is your personal preference and not a minimum requirment for a healthy fish, and those two term should be distinguished clearly.
Not everyone has means or space for a larger tank so I don't see a reason for depriving someone the pleasure of those pets if they can keep it healthy in the tanks they can have.
Very good advice that you should listen to. he is dead on point and 100% correct. i wont go back and forth but id listen to him. also if the parrot isnt a true parrot why not lose it get a craigslist deal on a 150 or 180 and you should be good. im sorry i have a synspilum pair and they are much prettier then parrots hands down lol. ok maybe im biased lol. good luck with whatever you chose to do. i do hope you troll craigslist soon.
I agree with you......that parrot isn't the prettiest fish in the tank, in fact,I thought about getting rid of him, except no one would buy him. Here's his picture, and I know he isn't that pretty.
Lets end this argument and get the point across. The OP has an overstocked tank, And either needs to get rid most of the fish in his tank, Or upgrade ASAP. It would be wise to do one or the other...
Do the right thing bud and upgrade the tank. There is no argument here just sound advise. Even if your fish don't kill one another you will never be able to keep the amonia levels down. The dithers you need are large Metynnis or Pacu. Even as adolescents they will outgrow your tank. What makes them effective is their ability to swim away from harm. And they will do this all day. Having a small tank just defeats that purpose.
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