Jason...I did breed them successfully twice in about 2.5 years. First off, I want make it clear I am def no expert at breeding any fish let alone very tough to breed fish like these. These are the first fish I ever tried to breed and I have to say I got very lucky to produce 14 successful fry from them. There's a few things that gd breeders can advise you to do with them like messing with the tds levels, RO water and copying the rainy seasons by adding cool water. Do your research on this stuff if you want (it might help greatly). But I have so much going on with my other tanks and time, I just gave them gd food, clean water, a dark tank with plenty of seclusion and hoped for the best. I'll try best to explain what worked for me: FOOD: PE Mysis shrimp or spirlina brine 4 or 5 nights a week, Ken's earthworm sticks a couple nights a week. I fed only at night when the lights went out. They are shy and most active during night hours. You will wake up and the food should be gone. SETUP: 40gal breeder, clay caves I bought from plecocaves.com..I had about 10caves in there of all shapes (round, square, Dshaped)..One thing I would do is remove the driftwood and cluster the caves close to each other and put a large piece of slaterock on top of the caves (flat) Then put a few more caves on top of that piece of slate and once again adding a piece of slate over that (kind of like a bunkbed setup. Have the slate overhanging a bit on top of the caves where it sticks out just past the openings. FILTRATION: I had a 2 sponge filters and an aquaclear 70 (without any media). I just used the filter for added water movement. Kept the media out so if food like the Mysis and brine would not get sucked up and stuck in the filter. You def want gd water movement throughout the tank. It help in keeping the caves clean of debris which is essential for the fry. Not sure of my ph (haven't had a ph test kit in years, lol), but I believe it's a bit alkaline. Kept my temp between 83 to 86 at all times. I think the biggest thing I learned was to not tinker with the tank too much once the males start occupying the caves and food is disappearing. PATIENCE! Also, I would not put the light on too much. They live in deep, dark, fast moving waters and the more darkness, the better. Sorry, im not gd with pics and illustrations yet, but I hope something here can aid you. Feel free to ask further question if needed cause this post might go on and on. lol