stable unstable

[longv]

this is just gonna have to be one of those discussions like why aro's get DE- everyone will have their own experiences and theories but no one will ever know for sure why.

 

[Ade]

This is a decent thread...

And I have to agree with many points raised from many members. But ime, whatever makes one IT stable, the total opposite can also make another IT stable.
I have some go dark with lights off, others go stable vice versa
Some go black in the net and bag, yet others go stable.
Some go black when being chased, some
Go stable when being chased.

The ST definatley has that "stable " gene, which remains constant.
The IT and NTT in comparison are much more "random" . They can be
stable like a yo yo..
A good point kolossus made:..... With my ITs, they can be stable for 6 months to a year , then go unstable for many months. Then back again.

I don't think it's all stress related. If it was then every IT put in a net would
go stable. That is not the case... As loads go black when netted or in bag. Also most tigers look very stable when feeding... Feeding time is probably not a stressful time for fish. Probably the opposite.
True alot of my smaller ITs are stable, but my most stable are the two 13 inch ITs. No one is stressing them Out and they rarely Fight..
What makes it's more Confusing is when I have an unstable IT for 2 years, then for Te next 3 years to date, Its been stable 24/7.

What I do notice though is the lOnger u keep the group of tigers together, over time, I reckon years... They will display more and as a result stay stable for longer.
When constantly changing decor and tank set up, not allowing enough time for the tigers to get used to surroundings, this just makes them more unstable... So if change set up , leave it for several months. If they still look unstable, then re-arrange etc, but wait for several months agin to see how theysettle and look.
Lots of time and patience helps...

 

[dennisdeng2002]

I wish someone would get some footage of Datnoids in their natural habitat so that we can see what kind of colors they need to camouflage. On one hand it doesn't make sense for fish that are stressed to become more vibrant and stand out more (unless that's what their environment is like) because they become easy targets for predators, on the other hand they probably can't control their physical response to stress just like how humans when their adrenaline is pumping sometimes become flushed/rosy.

 

[T1KARMANN]

That's a good point if a baby IT was fully stable in the wild it would be easy pray

 

[Loubard]

Well I still think unstable means happy

I don't agree. My indo is stable most of the time. The exception comes when I change water or when I come close to the tank to inspect him, both situations he turns black. In my opinion these situation illustrate stressfull moments and at least for this indo it's the reason to turn temporarily black, 10 minutes or so after such a thing happens he turns his usual yellow.

 

[T1KARMANN]

I don't agree. My indo is stable most of the time. The exception comes when I change water or when I come close to the tank to inspect him, both situations he turns black. In my opinion these situation illustrate stressfull moments and at least for this indo it's the reason to turn temporarily black, 10 minutes or so after such a thing happens he turns his usual yellow.

So you may have proved the point when you go near the tank he may feel happy as he thinks you are going to feed him making him happy = unstable

Think about it in the wild tigers are preds that hide to hunt and catch food they wouldn't be that good at hiding if they were bright yellow pray would see them easy and not go near a bright yellow fish

A tiger would stand a much better chance of catch fish if it was black and blending into the back ground again unstable could mean happy or in attack mode

 

[Loubard]

So you may have proved the point when you go near the tank he may feel happy as he thinks you are going to feed him making him happy = unstable

Think about it in the wild tigers are preds that hide to hunt and catch food they wouldn't be that good at hiding if they were bright yellow pray would see them easy and not go near a bright yellow fish

A tiger would stand a much better chance of catch fish if it was black and blending into the back ground again unstable could mean happy or in attack mode

That's different. In this case he tries to get as close to the (black) back of the tank as possible and really tries to hide. If I go feed him he will stay yellow and come up to the surface to take the shrimp from the tweezers.

I think unstable dats turn yellow in the night because without light it's impossible for fish to determine colour.

Why they are yellow during the day I cannot explain but I don't find it that weird. You say it's all about blending but these are big predatory perch wich could be somewhere high up the food chain. For most of the time I don't think it matters if there visible. They got there spikes on the back to make them look bigger and we know from experience that in fish tanks even bigger fish leave small datnioids alone.

I also thought about the fact that when hunting if there standing in between tall plants then there stripes could help them blending in.

Also a lot of fish have colour and I don't believe that when they are showing colour there stressed. There more things at play here besides visability wich we don't know anything about.

 

[T1KARMANN]

I'm not saying that this stable unstable thing is true but who knows why sometimes they are stable and other times they are not it just to throw another idea into the mix

can you explain why most tigers go full stable when netted and placed into a bag

even if we had wild tiger pics that would also prove nothing as the fish would have been netted or hooked so it would be under stress again and if it was full stable that still wouldn't prove my point

one wild pic i do remember was of a NGT on a hook and that fish was stable as any NGT i have seen but surely that would have been stressed and turned black if what I'm saying was wrong

 

[yh_loh]

I believe some ITs also have "stable" gene because when I bought my stable IT last time the batch of IT from the fish shop have all the stable IT look. When I means stable it is really stable compare to other ITs currently available in the fish shop. It seem that the batch of "stable" gene IT sold out, I could not find another batch of IT look as nice as the one I bought last time. The color is really nice compare to nowadays the IT in the fish shop - some stable but mostly are not. Thanks.

 

[T1KARMANN]

Has anyone seen IT when they have just been imported and still in the Import bags I have and all fully stable

Once the IT are placed in a tank that's when the fighting starts a few get sold mainly the stable ones with no place to hide as the alphas have taken up at the hiding spots meaning the ones swimming around the front looking stable are the ones with more stress as they have no place to hide with all the people stairing in the tank and pointing

All the ones that look stable in the shop people take them home put them in the tank and yes the tiger thinks I now have a place to hide and no other tigers so I'm now the alpha and happy so of he goes to his little corner and turns unstable = happy

That's why I think we get so many threads saying why has my dat turned unstable it was the best colour in the shop