Starting a small FO tank

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gswarri0rfan

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Hey everyone, I am planning on starting a 10 gallon FO tank. Need some guidance and advice.

It is currently african cichlid FW and I am using a 20g aquaclear filter on it with crushed coral as added media. I have a 75w heater on it and a marine white sand, not live. All I want is a single clown fish in there. I am planning on using RO water from the water vending machines outside grocery stores and I plan on buying instant ocean salt is it ok so far? what else do I need to put inside the tank? Can I put more than one clown fish in there once it has cycled? when it comes to cycling do I just leave it the way it is for how many weeks or months? when would it be safe for damsels to actually start it up for while? (I do not want to introduce them to their doom on the first week, but rather to have something in there when it is safe for really hardy fishes) I already talked to my lfs about getting some store credit to use for the clown fish when I trade the damsels back in.
I have been doing FW for a long time, and I have been reading about SW for a while. I just thought that the only way to learn more about it is to actually start one up. Pardon the long essay. I appreciate any input!
 
you could try something like a yellow watchman goby or other smaller goby (<2 inches)

other than that the tank is pretty maxed out
some peopl will even say you shouldn't keep any clown in a 10 gallon

i say a male percula or occelarus is fine, others disagree...

since it's a FO, as opposed to a FOWLR, you'd cycle it like any freshwater tank.

don't add damsels the clown is just as hardy and you wont have to recatch him
 
gswarri0rfan;2154472; said:
Hey everyone,
Hello :), welcome to MFK!
I am planning on starting a 10 gallon FO tank. Need some guidance and advice.
Cool cool. Well you came to the right place!
It is currently african cichlid FW
Hmm pretty small for those guys, babies I assume?
and I am using a 20g aquaclear filter on it with crushed coral as added media.
Mmmk well if you intend on using that same filter for biological filtration, you need to dump the media and clean the chamber and intake really well first. And toss out the crushed coral, it will mess with your parameters and attracts diatom algae.
I have a 75w heater on it and a marine white sand, not live.
K, well the heater is plenty. When it comes to the sand, it's also fine, but just keep in mind that when using bare sand (as opposed to live sand), you are extending your cycling process and will have to introduce nutrifying bacteria by hand to aid in the cycling and colonization of beneficial biological colonies. Live sand contains a plethora of these guys and can efficiently provide for base populations to take hold and colonize, but bare sand does not and therefore you will have to add it. A good brand for this is CYCLE, and it's easy to dose and pretty much impossible to over-dose.
All I want is a single clown fish in there.
That's a pretty small space for a clown fish, but if you stick to the smaller species such as False Perculas which are Ocellaris Clowns, you will have more luck. Also note that you will need some form of protection for this guy, a place to rest and take up shelter. Exposed fish are prone to stress, if you do not wish to have any live rock, consider at the least, a host anemone for this guy.
I am planning on using RO water from the water vending machines outside grocery stores and I plan on buying instant ocean salt is it ok so far?
That RO water you mention is fine but make sure that you allow it time to aerrate before doing water changes later on down the line. A lot of times, even though the water its self was thouroughly filtered through reverse osmosis, chemicals such as chlorine, and now, more popular chloromine is used to limit bacterial growth in the standing water. These dissapate but need to be exposed to air and circulated for several hours first.
what else do I need to put inside the tank?
Well since you are opting out of Live Rock - which is a natural filtering aid, and since you are using bare sand instead of Live Sand, you will want to think about purchasing a protein skimmer to help remove biological waste and solid particles within the water. Your biological filter alone cannot do this.You will also need a source of current/circulation. The return flow of the vast majority of filters is far below sufficient to hold this job, so a decent power head should be added into the water. Not only does this keep your water well oxygenated, but it also keeps the filtered water moving and the "bad" water being brought into contact with the filter intakes, and keeps detritus (waste) from settling on the substrate bed.
Can I put more than one clown fish in there once it has cycled?
No, sorry, I would not advise that. However, if you change your mind and instead of a Clown, are interested in other residents which do well in such small quarters, let us know.
when it comes to cycling do I just leave it the way it is for how many weeks or months?
Well like I mentioned previously, you are already going to be extending your cycling period since you are not using live rock or live sand, so you should expect a wait of between 7-9 weeks until the tank is fully cycled and has had the opportunity to establish bacterial colonies within the filtration media. Are you familiar with the Nitrogen Cycle? I would assume so since you said you have kept freshwater. Well with saltwater you will need to make sure that you are testing your parameters on a regular basis so that you can track the progression of this cycle. Once you are steadily reading 0-Ammonia, 0-Nitrites, 0-Nitrates, and have obtained a steady PH of 8.2+ for a period of at least 2 weeks, you will know your cycle is complete and ready for the addition of tankmates.
when would it be safe for damsels to actually start it up for while? (I do not want to introduce them to their doom on the first week, but rather to have something in there when it is safe for really hardy fishes)
There are a few other ways of finishing a cycle, that do not include the use of fish, but if that is the way you prefer to go, I would say several weeks after the set-up of your tank, and after the ammonia spike has taken place. This goes hand-in-hand with regular testing of your parameters throughout the cycle. If you were using live sand, and live rock, it would be sooner, as both of these (as previously mentioned) speed up the natural cycle. If that were the case, you could have live sand, and at about 3+ weeks start adding live rock, and at about 5 weeks add the damsels. But since you are not, I would advise against it until you are able to see the progression in the cycle through testing and pass the point where ammonia peaks.
I already talked to my lfs about getting some store credit to use for the clown fish when I trade the damsels back in.
That's cool, and at least you are thinking ahead. Damsels can be notoriously territorial, especially in a space as small as a 10gallon, and would not be too friendly to the Clown.
I have been doing FW for a long time, and I have been reading about SW for a while. I just thought that the only way to learn more about it is to actually start one up.
Very true, and it's nice to know that you have been doing your research and are taking an educated leap into this!
Pardon the long essay.
LOL hunny you haven't seen long yet. ;)
I appreciate any input!
No problem at all, hope this helps some. If you have more questions, please, ask away!:)

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Biggourami and Water baby thanks for all that info. Dont worry I only have one julie marlieri that I will be moving to a 40 gal in the 10gal rite now. The false percula was the one I was talking about. I guess I shoud have been more specific. It is agreed upon in the house that we need to find and keep nemo if we can. I could probably get a powerhead soon. follow up questions: how many damsels can I get?, I know the rule is keep odd numbers when keeping damsels. Would a FW rock be ok for the false percula clown? anemones are probably not advisable for a beginner sw keeper like me. it is a large rock with a lot of space inside. Anways thanks for the input BigGOurami and Water Baby. Especially you water baby, I have not seen an answer as detail and extensive as yours.
 
gswarri0rfan;2156361; said:
Biggourami and Water baby thanks for all that info.
No problem at all, you are welcome. :)
Dont worry I only have one julie marlieri that I will be moving to a 40 gal in the 10gal rite now.
Sounds good, thanks for addressing that. I figured that would be the case, which is why I skimmed over it quickly.
The false percula was the one I was talking about. I guess I shoud have been more specific.
Ahh ok, that's a better choice.
It is agreed upon in the house that we need to find and keep nemo if we can.
That movie created a whirlwind fascination with saltwater keeping, lol.
I could probably get a powerhead soon.
Good, you will need one. For a ten gallon you won't need anything too large, and below are some links where you have a variety of decently priced ones to choose from. If you have a LFS near you which carries a good selection, browse the links to identify what you want, and then see if your LFS carries them.

http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~powerheads_pumps__index.html

http://www.fishsupply.com/power-head.html

http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp43625/cl0/powerheads

follow up questions: how many damsels can I get?, I know the rule is keep odd numbers when keeping damsels.
That's one of those "Wobbler" rules. The more important thing to consider with these fish is species and available space. For a ten gallon I actually would only recommend one, but definitely no more than two. The best species for this would be either a Yellowtail Damsel (Chrysiptera parasema) or a Blue Damselfish (Chrysiptera cyanea). For either of these, you would want make sure that if you got two of them, that they were juveniles and introduced into the tank at the same time. They are territorial, and temperaments with these fish seem to intensify as they age. Additionally, these animals need plenty of hiding places to "stake their claim". They are beautiful fish, and in a larger system could be colorful additions to a community, but you are rather limited in a tank of this size.
Would a FW rock be ok for the false percula clown?
Well, these fish live in Anemones, and are not the type to hide within rock work. They will duck into certain spaces when nothing else is available, but in the wild, this would be of a last resort and still very rare. It would work for the Damsel's though, as long as it was properly cleaned prior to introduction, and does not contain any lacquer or other seal on it, as it can corrode easily in saltwater and leech harmful toxins into the tank.
anemones are probably not advisable for a beginner sw keeper like me.
Anemones really are not that difficult to keep. They seem daunting to a beginner, but quite honestly, they are pretty easy, and low maintenance, as long as you familiarize yourself with the proper species to house, according to your requirements, and the basic necessities of that species. I posted a little sticky on Host Anemones for Clown Fish, so check it out and see if you are interested. It really would be the best for your guy. Not to mention they make a beautiful addition to a tank, and the majority do not require rock to latch onto as their foot will secure its self to the glass, either under the substrate or on the side of the tank, wherever it feels like going, lol.
it is a large rock with a lot of space inside.
Well space is good, but little holes, tunnels and ledges are more important overall. They need little areas they can retreat to, tiny pieces of property they can claim and make their own.
Anways thanks for the input BigGOurami and Water Baby. Especially you water baby, I have not seen an answer as detail and extensive as yours.
Again, you are very welcome. A lot of my answers are pretty long, and I try my best to address each issues or question separately.

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gswarri0rfan;2158142; said:
Another follow up question: is RO water necessary for FO setup?
Not really. It's nice because you do not have to worry about contaminants, however, being that your tank is not going to be housing exceptionally delicate animals or corals, it's not truly "necessary".
Can I just use ordinary tap water and dechlorinate it?
Yep. Just look for a dechlorinator which removes Chloromine as well as Chlorine. Or if you have the patience, you can always allow it to sit overnight in a large container, aerated with some air stones, and the chemicals will dissapate on their own without the need for an instant dechlor.

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clowns will host just about anything in the home aquaria(had a friend get way nervous when his ignored the nem and hosted on a powerhead enstead) no need to waste money on a anemone unless you've got the right setup. rather than adding a damsel, which are a PITA to catch, why not just use some live rock and fish food, much cheaper and easier. i've seen several successful 10g with a pair of clowns(percs or false percs) so you could easily have a pair and if you keep water parameters in check, a small sp. of goby, like a clown goby. tap water is ok if your parameters are within reasonable range, but really RO water is nice to use, i use only tap in my 29g reef and it makes it a bit harder to keep pest algae under control.
 
Danyal;2159279; said:
clowns will host just about anything in the home aquaria(had a friend get way nervous when his ignored the nem and hosted on a powerhead enstead) no need to waste money on a anemone unless you've got the right setup. rather than adding a damsel, which are a PITA to catch, why not just use some live rock and fish food, much cheaper and easier. i've seen several successful 10g with a pair of clowns(percs or false percs) so you could easily have a pair and if you keep water parameters in check, a small sp. of goby, like a clown goby. tap water is ok if your parameters are within reasonable range, but really RO water is nice to use, i use only tap in my 29g reef and it makes it a bit harder to keep pest algae under control.



I am really not sure about live rock because my lfs sells them for about 8.99 a pound. It is a bit pricey compared to the prices I see online, Im just skeptical about ordering a liverock that I have not seen yet. I will probably segway to FOWLR in the future then keeping corals hopefully. I just want to take it one step at a time. I will try tap water for now, if algae becomes uncontrollable then I will probably use RO during weekly water change after the cycle of course.
 
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