starting first sw tank

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
ive been addicted since ive been 15. im now 27 i have huge datnoids and cichla in my 300 gallon. i always knew saltwater was harder didnt think different filters would mean that much. i don want to start off and have a spike and loose everything. ill just take is really slow and see how it works
 
have a sump that will fit a 65 gallon tank i can buy?? hahah
 
have a sump that will fit a 65 gallon tank i can buy?? hahah

Unfortunately, I don't have one that I can sell; I just made one for my 55 gallon out of a 10 gallon aquarium after dealing with nuisance algae for way too long. The most expensive part for the sump build is the return pump; everything else will run you less than $100 for a sump for that aquarium even if you don't go looking for good deals.
 
A Nitrate spike is gonna happen sump or not once you start adding life - Fish urine, poop,+ uneaten food. You want Nitrates right now, you need them to be present so that healthy de-nitrfying colonies build within' the system. These colonies take a longer time to grow + work as they live in Low water flow/ Low oxygen enviorments. Relax - take it slow Nitrates aren't gonna hit 100ppm overnite it takes time like weeks or even months. Fish can safely handle up to 40ppm. The problem with Nitrates is more so nuisance algae that if gone unchecked can become a long term issue.

If your worried about access nitrates coming from the cannister simpley remove the media, except the scrubber pad and have a spare or two scrubbers to swap out weekly. The 20+40 micron pads are the Nitrate bomb/trap - which is exactly what they are suppose to do.
 
would a hob refuge be ok instead of a sump?? same thing just little smaller
 
would a hob refuge be ok instead of a sump?? same thing just little smaller

It would help. I wouldn't say a little smaller than a sump, but quite a bit smaller.

I agree with Otherone that removing the media would help, but then what do you have? A big expensive powerhead basically that doesn't increase oxygen or remove wastes from the surface of the water where they are accumulating.
 
Canister filters produce a lot of nitrates or are often referred to as "nitrate factories" if they are not cleaned very frequently. Same goes for bioballs and wet/dry filters. They trap lots of waste that gets broken down by bacteria. They are a perfect habitat for bacteria that break down ammonia to nitrite and then nitrate, problem is they do it so prolifically that nitrates are hard to keep in check. With saltwater tanks nitrates need to be kept much lower than in freshwater systems because fish are much more sensitive and because the holding capacity of water is significantly less because of all the salt.

In saltwater tanks, live rock provides the surface area for bacteria and deep inside porous live rock are anaerobic areas that break down nitrates. Canister filters don't have the anaerobic areas that live rock does. So if the canister filter isn't cleaned frequently(like at minimum once a week, preferably more) it will make keeping a saltwater tank difficult. You will always be fighting nitrates and phosphates.

Doing water changes, cleaning the canister, having a quality overrated skimmer, good water circulation with a good amount of live rock, feeding lightly, and stocking lightly can all help you be successful with the equipment you have. It isn't impossible, just more difficult than with a sump.

Basically sumed it up pretty nicely...way better then I could of. Like what nonstop said, give it a shot if your organize like how I was not, you can probably get away with doing weekly/biweekly water changes along with cleaning out your fx5...it gets nasty after a month sitting thier. Also what I really like about sumps is the way they hide equipment, provide area of "harmony" for copepods/plants.

Since your getting in the hobby of marine fish keeping, by any chance have you heard of an lfs called "Maximum Reef Aquatics Inc" I'm pretty sure your somewhere in New Jersey..don't know how far out from the store. I basically bought everything from them, corals,lights,sump,fish,rocks.... you can't beat the prices and thier very knowledgeable people... however it's a small store.

If your close to Mount Vernon in New York, this is the store to go....
 
2 hours from there but I've drove 6 hours to get fish before
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com