STEALING IS BAD

[mike dunagan]

Texas was taken from Mexico. We all invaded this country. There were no native people to the Americas. Everyone came from some where else.

We created Nations. We drew imaginary lines that determine who owns what. These lines change over time. People all over the world break international laws that are more of a threat to you daily than you know about, but since you hear on TV that these invaders are a problem you believe it. Where in your life has this problem impacted you... By the way, when illegal immigrants use false SS numbers to get work, we still collect taxes, and then we keep the extra that would go back in refunds. More Americans abuse the welfare system and tax system than any illegal immigrants.

 

[N-E Cichlids]

I can understand how actions like this can cause reactions and thoughts such as yours. I am glad you are willing to share you ideas and opinions despite the repercussions that you could face financially since I can comment without my livelihood posted next to it. I would like you to take into consideration that many who come here illegally do want to stay and live here. There are people who commit crimes, but there are people who commit crimes who live here and stay in the same neighborhood getting away with it. I am in no way in favor of breaking the law to survive. It is difficult to get into this country, it takes time, but there is no reason not to do it right. The trouble is that when one person commits a crime that is part of a certain group, you can not then say that all people of that group are a problem.

Also this thought of European Americans have the right to be here more than anyone else is wrong... Anyone who is willing should have the right to work. If you have a problem with people wanting to work and working, why not focus on the people hiring them.

Mexicans are part European too... Spain is in Europe, buy a globe. It makes me sad to see some many people judge groups and stereotype people. Start thinking for yourself and listen to the mainstream media. Have an original thought and maybe you would see the problem is the system we have no the people trapped in it...

Based on your first paragraph, you are telling me that I should not judge all "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" because of the few who are bad. The Key word is ILLEGAL. They have NO RIGHTS in this country period. Based on your statement, I should not judge all Child Molesters based on one. Maybe we should have given Jeffrey Dahmer the benefit of the doubt and let him go and not put him in the same category as Charles Manson.

 

[me_wee_todded]

Texas was taken from Mexico. We all invaded this country. There were no native people to the Americas. Everyone came from some where else.

We created Nations. We drew imaginary lines that determine who owns what. These lines change over time. People all over the world break international laws that are more of a threat to you daily than you know about, but since you hear on TV that these invaders are a problem you believe it. Where in your life has this problem impacted you... By the way, when illegal immigrants use false SS numbers to get work, we still collect taxes, and then we keep the extra that would go back in refunds. More Americans abuse the welfare system and tax system than any illegal immigrants.

I live in Texas
Texas wasnt taken.Texas was part of mexico and the people that lived here rebelled against mexico AKA the Texas Revolution. Texas became its own Republic and then later was admitted to the U.S. Then mexico started another war with the U.S and lost. and as a result thy lost alot of land (the mexican cession).
Borders are not just lines. borders were forged through money or through war.
and then treaties were signed to agree on those "lines".
I am affected daily by immigrants. I walk into a resturaunt and the waiter "no habla ingles". I go to a little league baseball game and some cholos try to pick a fight with me because i ask them to turn some "profane" music down.
True there are more americans abusing the welfare system.
but there are also way more americans then illegal immigrants. it would only seem natural that, that would happen.
maybe you should also take a look at the percentage of americans on welfare by ethnicity. i think you will find it intresting.
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/SSR/journal/issues/v75n3/750301/750301.web.pdf

Working-age immigrants who are not refugees participate in both cash and non-cash based assistance programs at rates similar to working-age natives.


Immigrants with incomes below the poverty line are less likely to participate in cash assistance than natives with incomes below the poverty line. About 16 percent of poor immigrants use cash programs, compared to 25 percent of poor natives.


However, immigrants are also more likely to be poor than natives. About 15 percent of U.S. citizens fall below the poverty line, whereas 29 percent of non-citizens do so. About 11 percent of non-citizens have incomes less than 50 percent of the poverty line, compared to six percent of citizens.


Approximately 1.4 million immigrants receive AFDC or SSI payments totalling $4.5 billion annually. Their average monthly AFDC payment is $133; their average SSI payment is $407. Estimates using a more broadly defined package of benefits and counting benefits from state and local as well as federal sources indicate that immigrants receive approximately $25 billion annually in assistance benefits.
These are legal immigrants.
there children often recieve way more welfare than there parents.

 

[TicaL]

My argument in support of them isn't based just on the idea that they're human beings too but that you guys who are so opposed to it don't get it that your taxes are going to be taken anyways and you pay way more for just as many lazy, out of work, unproductive Americans. I acknowledge that it is a big problem in this country but I don't believe a 1000 mile fence is a logical solution nor do I believe total amnesty is. In my beliefs and knowledge of the situation it seems to me that what needs reform is the naturalization process which I would not mind if the government went through thorough background checks if the process was going to occur in a timely manner. I'm just as upset and disgusted at the stories of those who did come here illegally and ended up committing a violent crime. However, people need to understand that this situation exceeds many boundaries and many topics. Here in Arizona the largest issue regarding immigration has to do with the illegal drug running and human smuggling. People must understand that the drug laws are in need of reform as well. The Mexican drug ring has grown enormous over the past several years because the laws in the U.S. got stricter for buying cold medicines containing psuedo ephedrine so meth production has moved across the border into giant super labs which are huge compounds that are comparable to a military compound. Nearly 80% of the cocaine distributed throughout America that came from Mexico contains trace amounts of meth. The dangers from illegal immigration do not lie with the risk of miscommunication due to one not knowing substantial english nor does it lie with the risk of such an amount of people crossing the border to burden our taxes because we're already in trillions of dollars in debt thanks to G.W.. Those who are strongly against it must start admitting that this issue runs deeper than the idea thousands of men are coming here illegally to find work to support their family just as those who are in support of the illegal immigrants must admit that there are issues at hand that potentially put citizens in danger. Making a case against the immigration based on the concept that they need to be assimilating to our culture is silly and entirely egocentric.


I applaud you in your attempt to define American culture as it is something that no one has been able to do that encompasses the entire nation to any amount of generalizations. However, times have changed and it's been a long time and coming for them in doing so. Cultures are not only subject to differences in race and beliefs; now a days there are thousands upon thousands of cultures and subcultures. Inside music alone you could find more than you'd probably care to know about. This is not a cultural issue; it is a social issue. Just as the issue is with social security (obviously haha since it says social), the war on drugs, and even the war in Iraq to some extent.



Having lived in Arizona I've been hearing about this longer than it's been a mainstay issue on the news. I've seen some truly great things result from illegal immigration but at the same time I've seen repurcussions that were borderline evil deriving from this issue. I work with illegal immigrants at a restaurant and I've come across more that are honest hard working people than I have those who could be deemed as 'looking for handouts'. I just don't understand those who are citizens who take this personally as an attack on American and patriotism. I love America but you bet your bottom dollar that I'm disappointed with the way a lot of things are here. When someone speaks up for the immigrants saying it shouldn't matter if they want to wave their flag then concede that because just as they have the right to wave their flag, you have the right to hang an American flag. People claim their defense of attacking illegal immigrants derives from nationalism, through that pathology of thinking towards the subject you essentially have the pre-existing thought that all illegal immigrants here don't give a sh*t about America; which isn't true and everyone knows that because they wouldn't have wanted to come here if they didn't. They may not agree with our immigration laws or our naturalization process but there's not any American citizens that I know of that would say they're 100% happy with the way everything is on a legal level in this country.


I'm just sayin yo' a lot of Americans need to realize that they're getting played worse by their own government than we are by any number of illegal immigrants who enter this country.

 

[mike dunagan]

In that case everyone who gets a parking ticket is in the same boat as someone who commits murder. It is easy to stereotype certain actions. Child molesters are already guilty of a crime. That is why they are labeled child molesters, but you do not have being sited for public intoxication pin pointed on a map so his neighbors can see if their families are safe. Every crime has a level attached to it. Why is crossing a line has bad as child molestation? Many people get underage drink violations in college or a parking ticket, then turns themselves around and does well in life and upholds all other laws. We have prison because they are rehabilitation centers for people who can be returned to public life as well as held incarcerated if need be. Not everyone who crosses that line is a child molester or drug dealer.

on another note
Texas was taken learn your history, not the crap that you hear from the winners of the war but all of it...

the people who rebelled from Mexico were Americans who crossed into Texas. You have no clue what happened in the world...

I have read this entire forum. Those who speak most in it are simply unaware that they are prejudice.

It is sad that everyone who speaks here because they see the stupidity that you are spouting are called liberial or unpatriotic. If you knew anything you would not label others in your attempts to prove them wrong. You use keep words that are tied to emotions to attempt to cloud the mind of those reading to believe that this person's opinion is wrong.

Before you worry about lazy immigrants, or them stealing from you turn your eyes to America. Crime in America is on the rise, and despite your hopes great Americans are causing these crimes more so than illegal immigrants are.

Worry about the Americans who are wasting away on welfare, prison, gangs, and drugs. The illegal immigrants did not bring them over here.

Don't forget the same great people who said that crossing a line is a crime, said if you are born here you are a citizen.

There is no offical language in the US. So make one or stop complaining when people use different ones around you.

Threaten to kill people is a crime, or saying you would kill them is a crime as well. You are in the same boat as those illegal immigrants. Criminals in your own minds.

I am going to leave this forum now. I started to read it about the crime you committed and then was outraged by the prejudice that followed.

I remember why I only hate one group of people... I call them stupid Americans....

 

[TicaL]

Could you guys imagine if you all used your energy, passion and thoughts towards illegal immigration to focus on the crimes committed by those in political office? If those so adamently opposed to it claim to be such devout Nationalists then I question why aren't they doing their true duty as a citizen and focusing attention on the crimes committed by those running the country they feel so unconditionally loyal to.

 

[me_wee_todded]

In that case everyone who gets a parking ticket is in the same boat as someone who commits murder. It is easy to stereotype certain actions. Child molesters are already guilty of a crime. That is why they are labeled child molesters, but you do not have being sited for public intoxication pin pointed on a map so his neighbors can see if their families are safe. Every crime has a level attached to it. Why is crossing a line has bad as child molestation? Many people get underage drink violations in college or a parking ticket, then turns themselves around and does well in life and upholds all other laws. We have prison because they are rehabilitation centers for people who can be returned to public life as well as held incarcerated if need be. Not everyone who crosses that line is a child molester or drug dealer.

on another note
Texas was taken learn your history, not the crap that you hear from the winners of the war but all of it...

the people who rebelled from Mexico were Americans who crossed into Texas. You have no clue what happened in the world...

I have read this entire forum. Those who speak most in it are simply unaware that they are prejudice.

It is sad that everyone who speaks here because they see the stupidity that you are spouting are called liberial or unpatriotic. If you knew anything you would not label others in your attempts to prove them wrong. You use keep words that are tied to emotions to attempt to cloud the mind of those reading to believe that this person's opinion is wrong.

Before you worry about lazy immigrants, or them stealing from you turn your eyes to America. Crime in America is on the rise, and despite your hopes great Americans are causing these crimes more so than illegal immigrants are.

Worry about the Americans who are wasting away on welfare, prison, gangs, and drugs. The illegal immigrants did not bring them over here.

Don't forget the same great people who said that crossing a line is a crime, said if you are born here you are a citizen.

There is no offical language in the US. So make one or stop complaining when people use different ones around you.

Threaten to kill people is a crime, or saying you would kill them is a crime as well. You are in the same boat as those illegal immigrants. Criminals in your own minds.

I am going to leave this forum now. I started to read it about the crime you committed and then was outraged by the prejudice that followed.

I remember why I only hate one group of people... I call them stupid Americans....

True there is no officila language in the U.S but it can be understood that more people in the U.S. know english more then anyother language so for there benefit they should learn English.
and just so you understand I KNOW SPANISH.

You dont tell me to learn the history of MY STATE wanna know why?
CAUSE MY ANCESTORS WERE THE MEXICANS LIVING IN TEXAS AT THE TIME.
look at my past posts. You learn your history.

 

[me_wee_todded]

Could you guys imagine if you all used your energy, passion and thoughts towards illegal immigration to focus on the crimes committed by those in political office? If those so adamently opposed to it claim to be such devout Nationalists then I question why aren't they doing their true duty as a citizen and focusing attention on the crimes committed by those running the country they feel so unconditionally loyal to.

I do focus on the crimes commited in America. But i dont need some uneducated mexican crossing the border.
thats icing on the cake.

 

[mike dunagan]

you said in your past post that you are half, so the other half had to come from somewhere else... Those who founded texas were Americans that joined with a few to steal Texas away... You forget that your state education would never tell you that they did something wrong... just like you will never admit you were wrong... stupidity- the inability to learn or refusal to...P.S. I know my history... I have a degree in it and in multiculturalism...

 

[me_wee_todded]

you said in your past post that you are half, so the other half had to come from somewhere else... Those who founded texas were Americans that joined with a few to steal Texas away... You forget that your state education would never tell you that they did something wrong... just like you will never admit you were wrong... stupidity- the inability to learn or refusal to...P.S. I know my history... I have a degree in it and in multiculturalism...

To bad that the white half was in pennsylvania at the time.
i know my familys history. and you dont so i think i might have a better understanding about how my ancestors played a role in the adiition of land to this nation.