Strikeforce: Nashville - April 17, 2010

[pwmin]

another crap fight. dude really needs to learn how to strike...i just don't get it. I love watching Aoki, but I don't see how he can be ranked number 2 after that disappointment and being beaten twice the way he was by Sakurai. and Gilbert didn't try to end the fight until the very end, which was pretty lame.

 

[pwmin]

I can't believe that stupid announcer said what Mayhem did was disgusting, but didn't say anything about Shields and Melendez pushing him and the Diaz brothers beating on him. That guy pissed me off the whole event. Not saying Jason should have done that, but those two are just like that with each other. They have a really weird relationship.

Dan just didn't look himself and Shields tried to finish, but Hendo is just a super hard guy to. I knew Jake could do it. Over all, I'm really pissed off over the whole thing. It could have been one of the best events, but it turned out pretty lame.


UGH!

 

[tcarswell]

I can't believe that stupid announcer said what Mayhem did was disgusting, but didn't say anything about Shields and Melendez pushing him and the Diaz brothers beating on him. That guy pissed me off the whole event. Not saying Jason should have done that, but those two are just like that with each other. They have a really weird relationship.

Dan just didn't look himself and Shields tried to finish, but Hendo is just a super hard guy to. I knew Jake could do it. Over all, I'm really pissed off over the whole thing. It could have been one of the best events, but it turned out pretty lame.


UGH!

I agree 100% poor Henderson man He really is starting to look his age and im admitting that even though he is my #1 favorite fighter

 

[DREAM-faw]

Aoki lost, Dan lost, Mousasi lost... Omg my 3 fighters lost...

 

[hamato_yoshii]

Thoughts on Mousasi/Lawal. I think Mousasi got too comfortable on his back, and was trying to let Mo wear himself out, and in the meantime, Mousasi gassed himself out, and when he did get chances later in the fight to throw from his feet, he didn't have enough power left to finish the job. I think Mo really proved that he has a pretty good chin, because he did take some big shots, and he showed that he can hang with top level guys. He needs to learn how to inflict more damage when he is on top though, but the lack of elbows in Strikeforce kind of take that away, which leads me to another point:
The refereeing was bad all night. I don't know what the deal was but I though McCarthy should have stood up Gegard/Mo more, Maz (I think) probably should have stood Hendo/Shields up more, and Maz (I think) really did a poor job with the Melendez/Aoki fight and almost cost Melendez a point because he was indecisive about getting Aoki to stand up. After that, he did a better job, but that was a big mistake. Which leads me to the worst one, which was McCarthy in the Mousasi/Mo fight. The rules state that there are no elbows, knees, or kicks to a grounded opponent, in Strikeforce. In that fight, McCarthy docked Mousasi a point for kicking Mo in the head, while Mousasi was on his back, and Mo was on his knees, just outside of guard. My question is, why is that illegal? If Mousasi is also grounded, he should be able to kick the grounded Lawal. And, if not, then why are the knees allowed that King Mo landed on Mousasi, from his knees, while Mousasi was down (similar to GSP on Matt Serra)? The standing opponent cannot kick while the opponent is down, but if they are both down, either they both shold be legal, or both illegal.

As for Shields/Hendo, I thought Hendo looked old too after the first, but really I say good for you Jake Shields. No one really gave him a shot and he went out there and beat Hendo up. And, I would walk right over to Frank Shamrock and say, suck it. He was talking so much trash in the first when Shields got caught, about how "all it takes is one punch to drop him", and then Frank pretty much sat quiet for 4 rounds as Shields pounded Hendo.

 

[SumoNinja]

well, that sure sucked. Mo did nothing and just because he got a lot of takedowns, he won. Gegard was more comfortable on his back than Mo was on top of him. I hate how fights are scored. IDK WTF Gegard was doing, either and why he stood straight up the whole time. His wrestling sucks big time. I can't believe he got taken down so much. I'm so frickin' pissed. I like Mo, but that was a crap way to win. Hope the next fight's better and I hope they end up showing the Mayhem fight.

Mo didn't just do nothing to win. He did exactly what he needed to do to win. You gotta remember that he is still like a rookie in his career. It's his first time on one of the main cards of a big stage, it's his first fight with a true top ten contender and one that's been on a friggin rampage. Yea, it wasn't the most exciting or explosive or entertaining fight, but for the amount of pressure and what was at stake, I think he did really good.

I was actually kind of dissappointed in Moussasi. Mainly for his lack of cardio. King Mo blew his wad and I was surprized to see Moussasi so gassed also. I think Moussasi's problem may have been that he's been so good, so devastating for so long that he was lacking the stamina. It may have not been one of his main concerns in his training leading up to the fight. I think if his cardio would've been better, he could've capitolized on a lot of King Mo's mistakes. In the end, King Mo's key to victory was his wrestling background. He had nothing for Moussasi besides that. He definately won. I gave him rds 1 and 3-5. Moussasi only won rd 2. It was almost a shut out,........... just not exciting but he decisively won that fight

another crap fight. dude really needs to learn how to strike...i just don't get it. I love watching Aoki, but I don't see how he can be ranked number 2 after that disappointment and being beaten twice the way he was by Sakurai. and Gilbert didn't try to end the fight until the very end, which was pretty lame.

I think Aoki was kind of exposed a little, to beat him, you have to be a good puncher and have good take down defense. I think Gil had a great gameplan and he stuck to it. He scored on the feet, avoided getting taken down and baited into Aoki's guard, and when it went to the ground, he pushed it to the fence, scored stikes and got back up. He didnt' commit too much of his striking because like he said afterwards, you have to be careful with Aoki, you have to pick your shots and not fight his fight.

but Aoki should still be ranked top 5. He may have dropped off the #2 spot but he should still be ranked top 5. You can be highly ranked and have 1 bad performance. it's consecutive bad performances that will drop you way down and it depends on your competition too

I can't believe that stupid announcer said what Mayhem did was disgusting, but didn't say anything about Shields and Melendez pushing him and the Diaz brothers beating on him. That guy pissed me off the whole event. Not saying Jason should have done that, but those two are just like that with each other. They have a really weird relationship.

Dan just didn't look himself and Shields tried to finish, but Hendo is just a super hard guy to. I knew Jake could do it. Over all, I'm really pissed off over the whole thing. It could have been one of the best events, but it turned out pretty lame.


UGH!

I think Mayhem shouldn't have done what he did, he came in kind of asking for it but did he deserve to get jumped? no

but the guys that got involved and actually was throwing punches and kicks (diaz brothers), should be fined at least. mayhem actually never threw a punch that I could see. and Jake actually shoved Mayhem first and it escalated after that

anyways, I give Jake props for winning, but he almost got ko'd. I think Dan is passed his prime and it's showing in his performance how old he is. I think if this fight took place 3-5 years ago Dan would've gotten the ko.

but hope jake finishes his contract and come over to UFC. He says he wants to fight gsp and anderson. I dont' see why not, he's the champ over there in a weak division, might as well go over to the UFC. Dana has expressed his interest in Jake and Jake has shown his interest

 

[SumoNinja]

Thoughts on Mousasi/Lawal. I think Mousasi got too comfortable on his back, and was trying to let Mo wear himself out, and in the meantime, Mousasi gassed himself out, and when he did get chances later in the fight to throw from his feet, he didn't have enough power left to finish the job. I think Mo really proved that he has a pretty good chin, because he did take some big shots, and he showed that he can hang with top level guys. He needs to learn how to inflict more damage when he is on top though, but the lack of elbows in Strikeforce kind of take that away, which leads me to another point:
The refereeing was bad all night. I don't know what the deal was but I though McCarthy should have stood up Gegard/Mo more, Maz (I think) probably should have stood Hendo/Shields up more, and Maz (I think) really did a poor job with the Melendez/Aoki fight and almost cost Melendez a point because he was indecisive about getting Aoki to stand up. After that, he did a better job, but that was a big mistake. Which leads me to the worst one, which was McCarthy in the Mousasi/Mo fight. The rules state that there are no elbows, knees, or kicks to a grounded opponent, in Strikeforce. In that fight, McCarthy docked Mousasi a point for kicking Mo in the head, while Mousasi was on his back, and Mo was on his knees, just outside of guard. My question is, why is that illegal? If Mousasi is also grounded, he should be able to kick the grounded Lawal. And, if not, then why are the knees allowed that King Mo landed on Mousasi, from his knees, while Mousasi was down (similar to GSP on Matt Serra)? The standing opponent cannot kick while the opponent is down, but if they are both down, either they both shold be legal, or both illegal.

As for Shields/Hendo, I thought Hendo looked old too after the first, but really I say good for you Jake Shields. No one really gave him a shot and he went out there and beat Hendo up. And, I would walk right over to Frank Shamrock and say, suck it. He was talking so much trash in the first when Shields got caught, about how "all it takes is one punch to drop him", and then Frank pretty much sat quiet for 4 rounds as Shields pounded Hendo.

I think the reffing was ok overall. I'm not complaining. I think there could've been some more standing up but it wasn't rediculously bad reffing. I'm not sure what the rules are exactly on kneeing or kicking a downed opponent to the body, but to the head is definitely illegal and I'm ok with the point deduction although I think a warning would've been fine too since I'm sure Moussasi didn't do it intentionally. And what Mazagatti did to Gilbert was a bad call. Gilbert went after Aoki just as Maz was going to stand them up. but I dont' expect the refs to be perfect, they call it like they see it and sometimes they make mistakes. overall, I was ok with the refs

and about Frank, its' obvious there was animosity before the fight and Frank expressed that, but I think he did a good job being professional about it. He commentated well and kept the commentating about the fight itself. he tried to be unbiased the whole time I think. I gave him props afterwards because he admitted he was surprized by Jake's performance and he actually became a fan and congratulated Jake for his win.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

Aoki lost, Dan lost, Mousasi lost... Omg my 3 fighters lost...

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