Stupid question. Dumb answer.

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Why not? They can perform studies on a much better level than much of the "aquarist" science which is often anecdotal.

Well, to be fair there is a huge gap between the scientific study and average aquarist's needs.
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Average aquarist
Problem: Fish are kind of sick, nitrates are high.
Best solution: Feed less, Do more water changes.
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Average scientist
Problem:
Type
Testing of Remediation Technologies

Location Massachusetts Military Reservation, Cape Cod, MA
Partners Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Technology
  • Enhanced In-Situ Biodegradation
  • Above Ground Bioreactor
Contaminants Nitrate
Description
Nitrate contamination is one of our Nation's most ubiquitous ground-water contamination problems. USGS microbiologists and their colleagues have used a two-phase approach to developing remediation strategies for nitrate contamination in ground water. In the field, USGS scientists have been investigating the potential for enhancing denitrification (the reduction of nitrate to nitrogen gas) by injecting sodium formate into the aquifer. Denitrifying bacteria are native to the subsurface, but are usually electron donor-limited. The addition of formate, which can serve as an electron donor for denitrification, overcomes that limitation, thus increasing the extent to which nitrate can be consumed. In the laboratory, USGS scientists are testing a bench-scale model that uses hydrogen in a bioreactor to enhance denitrification. Hydrogen can also serve as an electron donor for special types of denitrifying bacteria. These microorganisms are autotrophs, requiring only carbon dioxide as a carbon source and producing innocuous products (nitrogen gas and water) from the nitrate and hydrogen. A patent application has been filed for the hydrogen bioreactor. The hydrogen bioreactor has many applications. Many drinking-water suppliers are faced with high nitrate concentrations in their source waters and the hydrogen bioreactor could be an effective tool for them to supply safe drinking water to their customers. The reactor could also be used to treat the discharge from confined animal feeding operations.

More Information
Contact
  • Richard L. Smith, USGS, National Research Program, Boulder, CO, rlsmith@usgs.gov
  • Denis LeBlanc, USGS, Massachusetts Water Science Center, Northborough, MA, dleblanc@usgs.gov
Publications
  • Smith, R.L., 2005, Small-scale hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor: Washington, D.C., U.S. Government Patent and Trademark Office, United States Patent No. 6,863,815 B1.
  • Smith, R.L., Buckwalter, S.P., Repert, D.A., and Miller, D.N., 2005, Small-scale, hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor for treatment of nitrate-contaminated drinking water: Water Research, v, 39, p. 2014-2023.
  • Smith, R.L., Miller, D.N., Brooks, M.H., Widdowson, M.A., and Killingstad, M.W., 2001, In situ stimulation of groundwater denitrification with formate to remediate nitrate contamination: Environmental Science and Technology, v. 35, no. 1, p. 196-203.
  • Killingstad, M.W., Widdowson, M.A., and Smith, R.L., 2002, Modeling enhanced in situ denitrification in groundwater: Journal of Environmental Engineering, v. 128, no. 6, p. 491-504.
Links
Other Toxics Remediation Studies on Cape Cod


Information on Sewage-Contaminated Ground Water

 
Well, to be fair there is a huge gap between the scientific study and average aquarist's needs.
------------------------
Average aquarist
Problem: Fish are kind of sick, nitrates are high.
Best solution: Feed less, Do more water changes.
------------
Average scientist
Problem:
Type
Testing of Remediation Technologies

Location Massachusetts Military Reservation, Cape Cod, MA
Partners Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Technology
  • Enhanced In-Situ Biodegradation
  • Above Ground Bioreactor
Contaminants Nitrate
Description
Nitrate contamination is one of our Nation's most ubiquitous ground-water contamination problems. USGS microbiologists and their colleagues have used a two-phase approach to developing remediation strategies for nitrate contamination in ground water. In the field, USGS scientists have been investigating the potential for enhancing denitrification (the reduction of nitrate to nitrogen gas) by injecting sodium formate into the aquifer. Denitrifying bacteria are native to the subsurface, but are usually electron donor-limited. The addition of formate, which can serve as an electron donor for denitrification, overcomes that limitation, thus increasing the extent to which nitrate can be consumed. In the laboratory, USGS scientists are testing a bench-scale model that uses hydrogen in a bioreactor to enhance denitrification. Hydrogen can also serve as an electron donor for special types of denitrifying bacteria. These microorganisms are autotrophs, requiring only carbon dioxide as a carbon source and producing innocuous products (nitrogen gas and water) from the nitrate and hydrogen. A patent application has been filed for the hydrogen bioreactor. The hydrogen bioreactor has many applications. Many drinking-water suppliers are faced with high nitrate concentrations in their source waters and the hydrogen bioreactor could be an effective tool for them to supply safe drinking water to their customers. The reactor could also be used to treat the discharge from confined animal feeding operations.

More Information
Contact
  • Richard L. Smith, USGS, National Research Program, Boulder, CO, rlsmith@usgs.gov
  • Denis LeBlanc, USGS, Massachusetts Water Science Center, Northborough, MA, dleblanc@usgs.gov
Publications
  • Smith, R.L., 2005, Small-scale hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor: Washington, D.C., U.S. Government Patent and Trademark Office, United States Patent No. 6,863,815 B1.
  • Smith, R.L., Buckwalter, S.P., Repert, D.A., and Miller, D.N., 2005, Small-scale, hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor for treatment of nitrate-contaminated drinking water: Water Research, v, 39, p. 2014-2023.
  • Smith, R.L., Miller, D.N., Brooks, M.H., Widdowson, M.A., and Killingstad, M.W., 2001, In situ stimulation of groundwater denitrification with formate to remediate nitrate contamination: Environmental Science and Technology, v. 35, no. 1, p. 196-203.
  • Killingstad, M.W., Widdowson, M.A., and Smith, R.L., 2002, Modeling enhanced in situ denitrification in groundwater: Journal of Environmental Engineering, v. 128, no. 6, p. 491-504.
Links
Other Toxics Remediation Studies on Cape Cod


Information on Sewage-Contaminated Ground Water


Go ahead and put me down for one of those hydrogen bioreactors.
 
Why not? They can perform studies on a much better level than much of the "aquarist" science which is often anecdotal.
Because scientist often don't think in terms of aquaria and also tend to think narrowly, which works for research purposes, but not for much else, also for example many people such as truly legendary fisherman, tend to know more about the fish than the scientist who are busy counting scales of long dead fish
 
Well, to be fair there is a huge gap between the scientific study and average aquarist's needs.
------------------------
Average aquarist
Problem: Fish are kind of sick, nitrates are high.
Best solution: Feed less, Do more water changes.
------------
Average scientist
Problem:
Type
Testing of Remediation Technologies

Location Massachusetts Military Reservation, Cape Cod, MA
Partners Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Technology
  • Enhanced In-Situ Biodegradation
  • Above Ground Bioreactor
Contaminants Nitrate
Description
Nitrate contamination is one of our Nation's most ubiquitous ground-water contamination problems. USGS microbiologists and their colleagues have used a two-phase approach to developing remediation strategies for nitrate contamination in ground water. In the field, USGS scientists have been investigating the potential for enhancing denitrification (the reduction of nitrate to nitrogen gas) by injecting sodium formate into the aquifer. Denitrifying bacteria are native to the subsurface, but are usually electron donor-limited. The addition of formate, which can serve as an electron donor for denitrification, overcomes that limitation, thus increasing the extent to which nitrate can be consumed. In the laboratory, USGS scientists are testing a bench-scale model that uses hydrogen in a bioreactor to enhance denitrification. Hydrogen can also serve as an electron donor for special types of denitrifying bacteria. These microorganisms are autotrophs, requiring only carbon dioxide as a carbon source and producing innocuous products (nitrogen gas and water) from the nitrate and hydrogen. A patent application has been filed for the hydrogen bioreactor. The hydrogen bioreactor has many applications. Many drinking-water suppliers are faced with high nitrate concentrations in their source waters and the hydrogen bioreactor could be an effective tool for them to supply safe drinking water to their customers. The reactor could also be used to treat the discharge from confined animal feeding operations.

More Information
Contact
  • Richard L. Smith, USGS, National Research Program, Boulder, CO, rlsmith@usgs.gov
  • Denis LeBlanc, USGS, Massachusetts Water Science Center, Northborough, MA, dleblanc@usgs.gov
Publications
  • Smith, R.L., 2005, Small-scale hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor: Washington, D.C., U.S. Government Patent and Trademark Office, United States Patent No. 6,863,815 B1.
  • Smith, R.L., Buckwalter, S.P., Repert, D.A., and Miller, D.N., 2005, Small-scale, hydrogen-oxidizing-denitrifying bioreactor for treatment of nitrate-contaminated drinking water: Water Research, v, 39, p. 2014-2023.
  • Smith, R.L., Miller, D.N., Brooks, M.H., Widdowson, M.A., and Killingstad, M.W., 2001, In situ stimulation of groundwater denitrification with formate to remediate nitrate contamination: Environmental Science and Technology, v. 35, no. 1, p. 196-203.
  • Killingstad, M.W., Widdowson, M.A., and Smith, R.L., 2002, Modeling enhanced in situ denitrification in groundwater: Journal of Environmental Engineering, v. 128, no. 6, p. 491-504.
Links
Other Toxics Remediation Studies on Cape Cod


Information on Sewage-Contaminated Ground Water

Did they use autotroph incorrectly?
 
well that was rambling, no Offence to the OP. there are no dumb questions, long as they are a serious inquirers. if you look below the person avatar who answered the question you can see how long they have been on the board, how many like they have, any trophies.

if they have been active on the board for years, have a thousands of posts on fish keeping, and thousands of likes. and a trophy or 4 there is a very good chance they know what they are talking about, rather than a google search where dang near everything gets taken for fact.

and no I do not get tired of new folks asking the same questions. Or questions some folks may see as stupid. Only rime I am bothered is when some gets the right answer from folks who know and say, well, thats not what I have read and disregard the help because its not the answer they wanted.

You look hard enof on the internet you well get the answer you wanted, example you want to keep an Oscar in a 30 gallon tank, you look hard enof you will find some one or site that says they do fine in a 30 gallon tank.

you post here and I am going to tell you no. no matter what you just read. and you do it any ways because that site says I can and he be fine. Even thoe almost 5 years on the site, lots of experience with Oscars.
 
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