Stupid Question on Asians

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tetrapod314

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Why are they illegal in the US if they are farm raised?
Is it an endangered species thing or an invasive species thing ...
or is it just another dumb law???
 
tetrapod314;482548; said:
Why are they illegal in the US if they are farm raised?
Is it an endangered species thing or an invasive species thing ...
or is it just another dumb law???
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YES,
no,
and YES!!

The Endangered Species Act
Passed in 1973 and reauthorized in 1988, the Endangered Species Act (ESA) regulates a wide range of activities affecting plants and animals designated as endangered or threatened. By definition, "endangered species" is an animal or plant listed by regulation as being in danger of extinction. A "threatened species" is any animal or plant that is likely to become endangered within the forseeable future.
The Act prohibits the following activities involving endangered species:
*Importing into or exporting from the United States.
Taking (includes harassing, harming, pursuing, hunting, shooting, wounding, trapping, killing, capturing, or collecting)
within the United States and its territorial seas.

*Possessing, selling, delivering, carrying, transporting, or shipping any such species unlawfully taken within the United States or on the high seas.

*Delivering, receiving, carrying, transporting, or shipping in interstate or foreign commerce in the course of a commercial activity.

*Selling or offering for sale in interstate or foreign commerce.
Prohibitions apply to endangered species, their parts, and products. Most of these restrictions also apply to species listed as threatened unless the species qualifies for an exception. The Act also requires that wildlife be imported or exported through designated ports and that special declarations be filed. If the value of wildlife imported and/or exported is $25,000 per year or more, importers and exporters must be licensed.

Exceptions:
Permits may be granted for scientific or propagation purposes or for economic hardship situations involving endangered or threatened species.

Penalties:
Violators of the Endangered Species Act are subject to fines of up to $100,000 and one year imprisonment. Organizations found in violation may be fined up to $200,000. Fish, wildlife, plants, and vehicles and equipment used in violations may be subject to forfeiture.
Rewards:
Individuals providing information leading to a civil penalty or criminal conviction may be eligible for cash rewards.
 
zennzzo;482569; said:
YES,
no,
and YES!!

The Endangered Species Act
Passed in 1973 and reauthorized in 1988, the Endangered Species Act (ESA) regulates a wide range of activities affecting plants and animals designated as endangered or threatened. By definition, "endangered species" is an animal or plant listed by regulation as being in danger of extinction. A "threatened species" is any animal or plant that is likely to become endangered within the forseeable future.
The Act prohibits the following activities involving endangered species:
*Importing into or exporting from the United States.
Taking (includes harassing, harming, pursuing, hunting, shooting, wounding, trapping, killing, capturing, or collecting)
within the United States and its territorial seas.

*Possessing, selling, delivering, carrying, transporting, or shipping any such species unlawfully taken within the United States or on the high seas.

*Delivering, receiving, carrying, transporting, or shipping in interstate or foreign commerce in the course of a commercial activity.

*Selling or offering for sale in interstate or foreign commerce.
Prohibitions apply to endangered species, their parts, and products. Most of these restrictions also apply to species listed as threatened unless the species qualifies for an exception. The Act also requires that wildlife be imported or exported through designated ports and that special declarations be filed. If the value of wildlife imported and/or exported is $25,000 per year or more, importers and exporters must be licensed.

Exceptions:
Permits may be granted for scientific or propagation purposes or for economic hardship situations involving endangered or threatened species.

Penalties:
Violators of the Endangered Species Act are subject to fines of up to $100,000 and one year imprisonment. Organizations found in violation may be fined up to $200,000. Fish, wildlife, plants, and vehicles and equipment used in violations may be subject to forfeiture.
Rewards:
Individuals providing information leading to a civil penalty or criminal conviction may be eligible for cash rewards.
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Wow! That's a definitive answer! Thanks! It seems like there should be an exception for domesticated, farm raised fish though.
 
sucks rite. hopefully the status could be changed and fellow fish keepers in the us could own them soon. :)
 
Hope the law will changed and allow asia aros int the states as well.
 
i'd hope so too. and i agree on the weirdness, i really dont know why theyre not allowed when they have stable breeding already at its height in Singapore. no threat to extinction there. and coz of this ban, still some asians make it to the states, and these fishes are the ones without the tags and may even be wild caught. if the ban would be lifted, regulation can be practiced and only the properly bred and tagged ones would get it in. no demand for the wild caught ones. i think its the silvers and blacks having the more difficult situation with extinction in south america......

it aint a stupid question, its a stupid law.......
 
Unfortunatly the law was written to cover a large ammount of different species.
It is true the Asian Aro as we know it today isn't "Threatened" or "Endangered" and sales to America alone would probably equal as much as the rest of the world, But...
As the act is writtten we get caught up in the gray area. Farm raised, selective bred Aros are not what is on the "List"
Native wild Asian Arowana is the endangerd animal and in my opinion shouldn't have been pressured so hard as to make them that way.

In some way, through the breeding of captive arowana, is there going to be a replentished stock of native Aros? I think not.

Everything I have read has to do with providing the private individual with a high priced fish.

My bicth has to do with, why there isn't a provision, in the act, that allows for reviewing the livestock in question, so they can see the difference in what shares the same scientific classification.

From what I have seen in the fish farming business, hatchery stock, is way pale in comparison to the native wild stock. Anybody who has set a hook on a Native up here in the Pacific Northwest can tell you how weak the hatchery fish examples are...

So I have little faith in the replentishment of wild Asian Arowana and the only way we will ever see leagal examples of this fish here in the states is for there to be a provision in that law to understand there is a difference in the Captive bred and Wild Asian Arowana, and exempt captive bred Asians from that dam'd list... ~B~
 
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