I am just curious what are the suams actual scientific name? I know the Green terrors are aequidens Rivultus, but those are not suams. For some reason fish base doesn't have suams listed and just slammed them all under the name green terror... Doesn't do it justice IMO.
Suams Or Green terrors
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Aequidens sp. gold saum- GT with orange trimmed fins
Aequidens sp. silver saum- GT with silver trimmed fins
Aequidens Rivultus- True GT
Aequidens sp. silver saum- GT with silver trimmed fins
Aequidens Rivultus- True GT
Well there's an ongoing debate as to which is actually the True Green Terror, as far as I'm concerned it's merely a useless common name. Many websites label Ae. rivulatus as the true Green Terror, but there's other collectors such as Alf Stalsberg (Link) that believe the Silver/White Saum is.
'Aequidens' sp. "Silver Saum" (or "Silversaum"), aka. 'Aequidens' sp. "Silbersaum"
'Aequidens' sp. "Goldsaum" (or "Gold Saum")
Depending on dorsal and caudal lining colour, that's the answer you're after.
If anyone refers to a "Green Terror" it will be a Gold Saum 99 times out of a 100.
'Aequidens' sp. "Silver Saum" (or "Silversaum"), aka. 'Aequidens' sp. "Silbersaum"
'Aequidens' sp. "Goldsaum" (or "Gold Saum")
Depending on dorsal and caudal lining colour, that's the answer you're after.
If anyone refers to a "Green Terror" it will be a Gold Saum 99 times out of a 100.
The saums are technically a group of undescribed species in the genus Aequidens. As far as I know there hasn't been any big hurry to give them an official scientific description and name. Until someone in the scientific community decides to get of their backside and pay some attention to this group, the Saums will continue to be the orfans of the Aequidens genus. Kinda sad for such a popular fish.
japes;2068833; said:
I personally believe that Rivulatus should not be called 'True Green Terror' as it is a lot of the time. I think a better name would be 'Original Green Terror'. There was a time when they though that Rivulatus and Saum were the same fish.
Both variety of Saum as well as the Rivulatus are all commonly referred to as Green Terror and so calling a Saum a green terror is (at least in my book) correct. Calling a Saum the original or true green terror is incorrect unless you consider the aforementioned confusion.
From what I remember suams used to be poorman's green terror. I believe rivulatus aren't as common because they were harder to come by. I don't think that justifies taking their name from them. To me its like starting to call the mayan's red terrors because no one carries the festae locally. It just shouldn't be done IMO.TrikkyMakk;2069892; said:
He sounds like even he is unsure what the answer isjapes;2068833; said:
These two are two different fish. Silbersaum IMO rivultus is from peru. Silver suam is from equadorjapes;2068833; said:
This is the problem with common names, in a perfect world we all knew and spoke latin and only used scientific names.
It's not limited to green terrors though. There are 4 differant species that have the common name 'blue acara.' Mayans common name IS red terror, which is nothing new either. They've been called red terrors since I got into fish back in 88-89. There are anywhere between 3-7 differant species called green terrors depending on which website you listen to.
It's unfortunately, but also not really changable.
It's not limited to green terrors though. There are 4 differant species that have the common name 'blue acara.' Mayans common name IS red terror, which is nothing new either. They've been called red terrors since I got into fish back in 88-89. There are anywhere between 3-7 differant species called green terrors depending on which website you listen to.
It's unfortunately, but also not really changable.
Actually Mayan is the common name of cichlasoma Urophthalmus. its not red terror.darth pike;2070794; said:
The problem for me is people calling all GTs rivulatus which they are not... not the other way around
Red_Terror;2070824; said:
Every store around here that has carried Uros has labeled them as Red Terrors. I'm pretty sure it's pretty much the same at most places as well.
There's no way of going around this Green Terror, Rivulatus thing until someone actually revise this whole genus. Until than I'll just keep calling all of them Green Terrors.
Mayan is a newer common name for uro's, most places still call them red terrors. I never heard mayan until recently, when festae began to make a comeback in the hobby. They were gone for quite a while, just like riv's were. Mayan's took their place under the common name 'red terror' just as the saums took the place of riv's under 'green terror' during their absence from the hobby as well.
Some fish have several common names, which makes things even more confusing. Though I do rarely see someone calling their saum's riv's ...
Some fish have several common names, which makes things even more confusing. Though I do rarely see someone calling their saum's riv's ...