- ok guys,though just one breeder,these guys are a strong force in the industry and I think its a huge step in helping our substrate debates for dragons at least.They finaly got back to me and I am posting it just how it came without however the bit more personal intro.I still think that the temps as far as basking goes plays a roll in this too but here you go.
- I will tell you this though:
We have kept our bearded dragons on sand, since the day they hatch, for close to 30 years (Sandfire Dragon Ranch) and 15 years (Dragon's Den Herpetoculture), and I can't ever remember having a dragon's death that could be blamed on sand impaction. I think that, if a dragon gets clogged-up, it is most likely due to an intestinal tract problem caused by an overload of parasites, or from eating a bigger piece of substrate (like a rock or chunk of wood) accidentally. I always tell people this: I have never been to Australia, but I would bet money that there are not dead dragons laying all over the desert...
Kevin Dunne
Sandfire Dragon Ranch/Dragon's Den Herpetoculture
substrate
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I've heard that from other BD keepers and I heartily agree. I've never really bought the "sand impaction" mumbo with BDs.
As I said before if it´s ok to you guys it is ok to me
One of my friends lost a baby beardy suposely to sand inpact but i dint see the dead animal and she dint do an autopsi so really there´s no way to know if it was sand or something else
The only reason Ive been posting this is because she is firmly convicted that it was sand("there is something anormaly hard on the gut area" she said) and I give it the benefit of doubt. My argument was the "why take the chance"one. But really there was a miriad of things that could cause it. I remenbar that she had plastic plants and logs in the cage. Maybe a litle bit of cork or plastic who knows. Put this kind of argument of really expert people I think that for bearded dragons I need to change my mind regarding sand
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One of my friends lost a baby beardy suposely to sand inpact but i dint see the dead animal and she dint do an autopsi so really there´s no way to know if it was sand or something else The only reason Ive been posting this is because she is firmly convicted that it was sand("there is something anormaly hard on the gut area" she said) and I give it the benefit of doubt. My argument was the "why take the chance"one. But really there was a miriad of things that could cause it. I remenbar that she had plastic plants and logs in the cage. Maybe a litle bit of cork or plastic who knows. Put this kind of argument of really expert people I think that for bearded dragons I need to change my mind regarding sandwned:since you mentioned it,I had an adult eat a huge fake leaf and it crapped the entire thing out whole.So that may tell us something,they handdle more than we think even.Im sure I got lucky but just thought Id share that as yucky as it sounds,lol.
Bearded dragons I'm sure chomp down some pretty big invertabrates in their native habitat. I don't think the occasional few particles of sand are going to hurt them.
I find this to be like a never ending argument and even more so with leopard geckos and a beardie and leo habitat in th wild are both rocky desert so its just compacted/loose sand and rocks so I dont thinkit realy matters and if it did matter why dont you go take away all the sand in pakistan and australia so they dont ge impacted!!
well thats why I tried to go to a better source than we are used to,as far as going and taking the sand away,were on our way if you wanna comelatshki;1771737; said:I find this to be like a never ending argument and even more so with leopard geckos and a beardie and leo habitat in th wild are both rocky desert so its just compacted/loose sand and rocks so I dont thinkit realy matters and if it did matter why dont you go take away all the sand in pakistan and australia so they dont ge impacted!!
If an animal is dead and has a hard solid mass in their stomach, you need to look at the way the animal is disposing the urates, or calcium overkill.
Well I feal that the risk for leopards is a litle greater than for beardeds(if there is any at all for themlatshki;1771737; said:I find this to be like a never ending argument and even more so with leopard geckos and a beardie and leo habitat in th wild are both rocky desert so its just compacted/loose sand and rocks so I dont thinkit realy matters and if it did matter why dont you go take away all the sand in pakistan and australia so they dont ge impacted!!
).I know a person that has lost two leos suposely for sand but again I have no way of knowing for shure what kill them. In fact I never saw them in person wille they where alive. Once again I give it the benefict of doubt. But this time I have some solid evidence that we all can see. Go see the 2006 edicion of "Reptiles USA" pag 67 "tough decissions". Read and comment