Yeah, I'm having a hard enough time convincing the girlfriend to let me take over the dinning room for wy tank. If I show up with a concrete mixer, I think she might blow a fuse. I will just stick with the pvc idea. I went to home depot and made the base structure of what I was going for with 1/2" pipe and 90 degree bends. Now I only have two more questions? What kind of "putty" do you guys use to hide the pvc pipe between rocks and what type of drill bit do you guys use to drill your rock (masonry, wood)? Thanks for all the great advice. Another question for krj-1168 how big of a refugium would I need for my setup? The original sump idea was 36"X16"X16" with three chambers