Sump level with Tank?

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Got a few questions. Setting up a stock tank saltwater pond and sump. Need to know how to filter water into the sump without the use of any gravity, in either direction. Dont even know if its possible without using two pumps. Really need some advice. This is my first DIY project of any magnitude. Thanks in advance.

Heres a rough idea of what im dealing with.
 

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If you pump water into & out of the sump... you are relying on both pumps to perform at the exact same rate... which will never happen and one will definately overflow... If you do somehow balance them perfectly... the media will clog at different rates and they will quickly fall out of balance...

If the water surface of the sump is literally level with the water level of the tank I do not think it can be practically set up in any way... If the sump is at least a few inches below it is possible, although may not be practical.

The size of your overflow or drilled hole will dictate the rate at which the water can exit your tank. Naturally you will not want to put water into the tank any faster than it can exit. What do you have planned for a drilled hole or overflow box?
 
So what if i built a small stand for the sump, lets say 1.5' or 1' high. And the tanks water line would be about 20". Would that be enough to create some flow from the sump back into the tank? Or should it be higher, completely above the water line. And i would feel more comfortable with the potential of the sump flowing back into the tank during power outtages, rather than the tank flowing back into the sump.
 
I see no reason why having the sump higher than the tank wouldn't work... pumping water from the tank to the sump and allowing gravity to pull water from the sump to the tank...

The water surface of the sump vs tank is the factor you want to watch here. The bottom of the sump being higher than the surface of the tank will make no difference (other than it will effect the difference in water surfaces). In theory you could raise a tank that is 2' tall 1' off the ground and use it with a 4' deep sump and the water will flow from the sump to the tank.

You still have the limitation of the water will only flow from the sump to the tank as fast as the drilled holes or overflow box allow... so this will dictate the maximum flow of your pump.
 
Hey, I did something similar on my 30G. Do you want to have the sump sitting next to the tank, instead of underneath it? I like that better than having the sump underneath the tank. Easy access to the sump, and you get to watch it work.

A regular PVC siphon will keep water flowing from the aquarium to the sump. The kind shaped like an over-turned U, with two little U's at each end (like the stickies). The U's at each end keep the siphon primed with water, even if the water level drops underneath the ends of the siphon -- very handy. The height of the little U inside the aquarium decides the water level where the siphon stops flowing. In your sketch, it's the same shape as the siphon drawn there, but flip your sketched siphon the other way. The little U's on each end need to face UP, and the big U should be going over the edge of the aquarium.

What makes it work is putting the pump in the sump, not in the aquarium, and making the siphon out of the aquarium have a much bigger water flow rate than the sump pump pushing water back into the aquarium. I used 1.25" PVC for the siphon out of the tank, but only 0.75" PVC going back from the sump into the tank.

To stop flooding, you just need to lift the sump high enough so that the water lines between sump and aquarium level themselves out, without one of the water lines having to flood out of its container to get there. The top edge of the sump needs to be nearly the same height, or the same height, as the top edge of the aquarium.

For a stand for the sump on the cheap, just get some concrete cinder blocks from Home Depot or a store like that for $0.80 or $0.90 cents each, make a base for the sump, layer of plywood from the store's scrap wood bin, repeat as needed. It can look pretty nice, if you cover it with a decorative material, or paint, etc. The concrete blocks are just cheap and strong, and easy to find.

Here's a rough sketch showing how the water flows between sump and aquarium . . . hope it helps!

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