Sump with only sponge?

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Hello; Early on in the first decades of my fish keeping I ran tanks with only air pump filters, air stones and the like. I used under gravel filters and still do. I used little in tank box filters stuffed with floss. I used sponge filters. I used hang on back filters powered by air bubbles. I used simple air stones with no filter media at all. I am not talking powerful air pumps. Just the sort a teenager could afford from mowing yards for a dollar a yard and other similarly paid jobs.

I experienced the slow transition from air operated filters to impeller run power filters. As far as I am concerned the current power filters would not have happened without the simple air run filters. The early Metaframe power HOB's moved a lot more water than the air type but they lost siphon pretty much every day. Not like modern stuff which will restart on their own. You had little plastic caps on a stick with which you could re-start the siphon. I always ran some sort of bubbler along with the power filters. If I had to use only one sort of filter for a tank it would be air run. Likely a sponge filter nowadays. I still have some survivor air HOB's and do use them in grow out tanks with fry.

When i use a sponge filter in a bare tank I rarely clean it. It eventually becomes mainly a weight to keep the air bubble source at the bottom. The sponge sort of gets "clogged up" I guess but something else happens. A story. Some years ago I bought a few common angel fish cichlids. Wound up with a breeding pair (did a thread on them on here) They always ate the eggs, so I set up a grow out tank. They liked to lay on live plant leaves so I would clip the leaf and put it in the grow out tank. I would weigh down the leaf and position a bubble stone close by to keep the water moving.
I also threw in a very mature sponge filter run by air. The idea being it would circulate water when I removed the leaf & air stone after hatching. Also wouldnot suck small fry in like a power filter. I raised a few batches of fry in that tank and never cleaned the sponge. Point of the story being the fry would graze on the surface of the sponge when they became free swimming. Not sure exactly what they found but the exposed surface of the sponge. I have some guesses. The sponge would be cleaned nicely during a period before they grew enough to take other foods. The sponge would get a bit fuzzy between batches of fry. It is more than a simple trash collector.

Back to the above quote. jjohnwm tells the story well. To the OP, run the sponge setup which pleases you. Figure it will work well along with water changes even with half the sponges. likely with a quarter of the sponges or maybe one sponge. Likely with half the cleaning frequency or perhaps no sponge cleaning at all.
Jeep up the water changes (WC) and likely all will be well. We have to do WC no matter what filters we use.
Wow, this post ^ is a real blast from the past! I remember all that stuff as well; cleaning out box filters that were filled not with filter floss as we know it today, but rather with actual spun fibreglass, i.e. the same stuff that is still in use today as attic insulation. My first HOB power filter, a monstrous AquaKing Supreme that had an air-cooled motor, replete with slots for air movement, mounted above the filter box with a shaft running down to the impeller chamber in the water. My first air pump, an electric motor attached to a shaft and cam that moved an external piston up and down to pump the air; it looked...and sounded...like a miniature locomotive engine.

I never got to play with undergravel filters until a bit later, as my father's simple edict was "No! Da **** is still in da tank!" and setting up such a filter would interfere with our protocol of draining the tank completely and removing/washing/replacing all the gravel...every week!

I still have tanks up to 120-gallons that are filtered entirely by air-driven filters: Poret foam columns, 6x6x19 inches, pre-drilled lengthwise and using 1.25 or 1.5 inch tubing with an airstone or two can move a lot of water and go many months without cleaning. They're essentially stand-alone Hamburg Mattenfilters. No, they aren't "efficient", I suppose...but they are far more than adequate for the purpose of maintaining excellent water quality.

I'd have to say that the single most important forward step in aquarium keeping for me was my initial discovery of Tetra sponge filters back around 1970, which set me on the road towards getting a handle on the whole nitrogen cycle and biological filtration concept. Sponge filters rule! Saying that they are inefficient may be technically accurate...but everything is relative, and sponges still easily do far more work than virtually any tank requires.

Now, let's chat about this new-fangled stuff that apparently lets us glue one piece of glass to another to build a tank without a frame; silicone, I think it's called? And apparently some folks are even making aquariums out of pieces of plastic glued together!

I know, right? Can't possible work; I think people are in for a surprise when those things start falling apart any day now...:)
 
Yup, heterotrophic microorganisms do a large amount of heavy lifting and require much more surface area compared to the autotrophic bacteria but i've already put in a large math post in the thread; don't want to go too overboard and potentially off-topic to talk about microbiology haha.
Please, go overboard all you like! Geeking out on this kind of topic is exactly why I still check in here occasionally. The idea that there's a lot more going on than simply the conversion of ammonia into nitrate within the biological filtration of our tanks is something that isn't talked about enough. T triamond 's experiment showing that the water was dull and the fish suffering even though the nitrogen cycle was still happening makes me curious about what else happens in there.
 
Organic matter is decomposed into carbon dioxide and inorganic forms of sulfur, nitrogen, phosphorus, etc.
Therefore, there are carbon, sulfur, phosphorus, and nitrogen cycles...
Life is an engine, and organic matter is its fuel.
 
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I use a lot of Poret in my DIY "dump" filters (basically overhead sumps made out of Rubbermaid bins). I also use other media (bio balls, ceramic rings, scrubbies, lava rock). I keep terrestrial plants in some of them.

The key to reducing maintenance is having a pre-filter of some kind to catch as much mechanical waster as possible. I tend to have the water from the tank first flow through a plastic bin lined with fluff. But others use filter socks or other approaches. Using poret for mechanical filtration is a PITA in my experience.

To clean my dump filters (once or twice a year), I turn off the pump to the filter (so that the water can drain down to a level that the bin is manageable to carry/remove from the top of the tank), I remove the soiled fluff in the pre-filter, shake up the remaining media in the bin, open a corner of the bin and drain the gunky water into my fishroom deep sink. Then I take the top of the bin off, give the media a rinse or two with fresh water, shake it around, and drain again. I put new fluff into the pre-filter, put it back on top of the tank, reconnect the pump and it's good to go for some time
 
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D dogofwar that sounds like an interesting set up. I've found the exact opposite for using Poret as mechanical filtration though. The sump on my 2000L tank that I linked to on the first page could 3-4 weeks without being touched, and even then it was only the first two sheets of Poret that needed to be pulled out, hosed off and put back in. Previously my 1400L tank had two filter socks, they needed to be changed every three days or they'd clog and overflow rendering the mechanical filtration useless. I've had other more traditional looking sumps with filter wool which was easy enough but an ongoing cost (not huge) as it was a single-use thing. I also found it was no more effective, probably even less than, a couple of sheets of Poret. I think the key with the Poret is to have large enough sheets so that the water is flowing gently through it making it easier for the particles to get caught. Ideally on the dream build I'd have a pre-filter like a drum filter or Cetus sieve for even less maintenance, but reality means I'll have to fit whatever I use under the stand for this tank.
 
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