Tahuantinsuyoa macantzatza

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Thanks for the comments, everyone!

dogofwar - How long have you had yours? Any photos? What's your opinion on these fish? :popcorn:
 
..from The Cichlid Room Companion description of Andinoacara...

http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/genus.php?id=269

Diagnosis: Small to moderate sized (8–30 cm TL) South American cichlids with American type lips, six preoprecular and four dentary lateralis foramina, minute or absent interarcual cartilage. Similar to the closely related Bujurquina and Tahuantinsuyoa in having enlarged lateralis foramina, uniserial predorsal scale pattern, notched dorsal margin of anterior ceratohyal with laminar ledges bordering arterial groove (forming a bony canal in A. rivulatus), only three anal fin spines, modally six ceratobranchial gill rakers on first arch, opalescent spots and vermiculations on head, body and fins, the posterior part of the midlateral stripe inclined dorsally towards the insertion of the posterior border of the dorsal fin.

Distinguished from similar genera by a combination of characters: absent parhypural spine; angle of the uncinate process of epibranchial 1 relative to the main axis of the bone very wide (versus narrow angle); epibranchial 1 with a posterodorsal laminar expansion with sharp angle (versus absent); caudal opening of the posterior myodome narrow (versus wide in Tahuantinsuyoa and closed in Bujurquina); caudal fin rounded (versus subtruncate-truncate) with brightly more than 8); continuation of band on head obliquely forwards across nape in some species; anteriorly inclined supraorbital stripe (or missing); prominent suborbital stripe and nearly midbasal caudal spot; Aequidens type breeding coloration (pale vertical bars bordering the midlateral blotch); substrate spawning non-oral brooders (versus mouthbrooders). Additionaly distinguished from Bujurquina in having modally 8 (versus 7) anal fin rays, <12 (versus 12–13) abdominal vertebrae, globular interarcual cartilage (versus absent) and last basapophysis present on first to third caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). Additionaly distinguished from Tahuantinsuyoa in modally having <13 caudal vertebrae (versus more than 14) and having the first hemal arch on the first caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). colored edges (also egde of dorsal fin); caudal-fin accessory lateral lines modally present and running between rays V4 and V5, and D1 and D2; <8 scales in the lower lateral line (versus in modally having <13 caudal vertebrae (versus more than 14) and having the first hemal arch on the first caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). (from Musilová, Rican & Novák, 2009).

glenbo;4434248; said:
I'm not doubting what they are called, I'm asking why are they not 'Andinoacara' because to me they look exactly like one...

Glen
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Tahuantinsuyoa species develop a bone canal through the anterior ceratohyal for the hyoid artery and this may indicate closer relationship to the Pacific versant species 'Aequidens' rivulatus than to Amazonian cichlasomines.
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Looks like this cool little fish will get reclassified at some point, deffo a evolved version of a Andinoacara.

Cool fish tho, apparently the common name is 'Incan stone fish'
 
I've had mine for about a year or so...purchased at an auction as little ones (3/4" or so)...

The male of the trio I have is pushing 3" now. Females are smaller. They color up quite a bit at this size (especially the male). I have mine with some Gymnogeophagus in a 2'x2'x1' tank with course sand, pvc and plastic plants. They don't seem aggressive at all... Unfortunately they're in a dark, obstructed tank so I don't watch them as much as I should...

I like Bujurquina, acaras and the like, so I like these...

Matt

Dan Feller;4434251; said:
Thanks for the comments, everyone!

dogofwar - How long have you had yours? Any photos? What's your opinion on these fish? :popcorn:
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dogofwar;4434277; said:
..from The Cichlid Room Companion description of Andinoacara...

http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/genus.php?id=269

Diagnosis: Small to moderate sized (8–30 cm TL) South American cichlids with American type lips, six preoprecular and four dentary lateralis foramina, minute or absent interarcual cartilage. Similar to the closely related Bujurquina and Tahuantinsuyoa in having enlarged lateralis foramina, uniserial predorsal scale pattern, notched dorsal margin of anterior ceratohyal with laminar ledges bordering arterial groove (forming a bony canal in A. rivulatus), only three anal fin spines, modally six ceratobranchial gill rakers on first arch, opalescent spots and vermiculations on head, body and fins, the posterior part of the midlateral stripe inclined dorsally towards the insertion of the posterior border of the dorsal fin.

Distinguished from similar genera by a combination of characters: absent parhypural spine; angle of the uncinate process of epibranchial 1 relative to the main axis of the bone very wide (versus narrow angle); epibranchial 1 with a posterodorsal laminar expansion with sharp angle (versus absent); caudal opening of the posterior myodome narrow (versus wide in Tahuantinsuyoa and closed in Bujurquina); caudal fin rounded (versus subtruncate-truncate) with brightly more than 8); continuation of band on head obliquely forwards across nape in some species; anteriorly inclined supraorbital stripe (or missing); prominent suborbital stripe and nearly midbasal caudal spot; Aequidens type breeding coloration (pale vertical bars bordering the midlateral blotch); substrate spawning non-oral brooders (versus mouthbrooders). Additionaly distinguished from Bujurquina in having modally 8 (versus 7) anal fin rays, <12 (versus 12–13) abdominal vertebrae, globular interarcual cartilage (versus absent) and last basapophysis present on first to third caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). Additionaly distinguished from Tahuantinsuyoa in modally having <13 caudal vertebrae (versus more than 14) and having the first hemal arch on the first caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). colored edges (also egde of dorsal fin); caudal-fin accessory lateral lines modally present and running between rays V4 and V5, and D1 and D2; <8 scales in the lower lateral line (versus in modally having <13 caudal vertebrae (versus more than 14) and having the first hemal arch on the first caudal vertebra (versus on the last abdominal vertebra). (from Musilová, Rican & Novák, 2009).
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:popcorn: I love the way you are debating something that is not there lol, I just fricken' said it looks like a Andinoacara... :ROFL::screwy:
 
^ But you did ask multiple times why the fish was not Adinocara, and the text that Matt posted explains why.
 
Dude - you asked why they weren't classified as Andinoacara...so I gave you the reference to the original description, information from Dr. Kullander on his original description of the genus, and the key to differentiating the genuses...

Not debating anything. Just trying to provide primary information...

In the future, I'll limit my comments to baseless conjecture. :nilly:

Matt

glenbo;4434288; said:
:popcorn: I love the way you are debating something that is not there lol, I just fricken' said it looks like a Andinoacara... :ROFL::screwy:
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