teugelsi and retropinnis

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Holyfish75

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hi all, :) just hopping that some experienced bichir keepers can advise on the differences between the 2 species. i'm not able to differenciate then apart, as their visual differences are subtle? apart fro mthe elongated bodies and darker base colour, are there any major differences between the two? any pics would be very much appreciated. ;)
 
the visual differences are actually very clear. and yeah both have elongated body, but the teugelsi is more elongated. teugelsi gets a lot bigger, 20"-24". retropinnis probably around 12" only.

the color, patterns, and head shape are all different. teugelsi has a very unique head shape (wide and flat). retropinnis (zaire green) has those radiating lines around the eyes (see attached image).

basically if you see a small 'teugelsi' for sale, but it looks like a retropinnis, or you can't tell it apart from a retropinnis, then i'd say its a retropinnis. i think in singapore, some are selling or misID'ing retropinnis as teugelsi incorrectly using the base color as ID or something.

here are a couple links to pics. hopefully it makes things clear. if not, ask :)

teugelsi
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91005

retropinnis (zaire green) - note in one of the pics, theres a dark base retropinnis. so what you said about teugelsi having darker base color isn't necessarily true.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83533

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wow! that's very enlightening. i notice that the main differences are teugelsi has a much flatter head, and body markings are drastically different. i assume those are imported and wild caught right? excellent condition and well kept, those...cheers for your help. many thanks. :grinno:
 
no problem. yup they are wild caught and imported. many species of bichirs are still wild caught only.
 
another question to seasoned bichir keepers here. how would one identify a bichir bichir against a lapreadi? does the head structure differ? does the no. of finlets count as a criteria in this case? how about markings and max size? i'm really confused by this :confused:, hope someone here can help. :)
 
Holyfish75;1427788; said:
another question to seasoned bichir keepers here. how would one identify a bichir bichir against a lapreadi? does the head structure differ? does the no. of finlets count as a criteria in this case? how about markings and max size? i'm really confused by this :confused:, hope someone here can help. :)

The bichir bichir gets somewhat larger, and tends to have more colorful and brighter markings. However, it could be hard to tell if the p. bichir bichir is stressed, and has washed out colors.
 
hm, i notice that a specimen at 12 inches i have, has a shorter distance between its eyes and feelers, and much bigger eyes as compared to several other lapreadi's of the same size. though its still not fully adjusted to the tank and dosen't demonstrate its colours just yet. its head structure is also more box like, rectangular, compared to the long-ish flat head structure of lapreadi..
 
Holyfish75;1427788; said:
how would one identify a bichir bichir against a lapreadi? does the head structure differ? does the no. of finlets count as a criteria in this case? how about markings and max size?
from what i've seen, the head/jaw shape is different, its actually one of the main differences i notice, but the difference is not what you described. i don't think bichir bichir has a box like head structure from pics i've seen.

i have a lapradei that may look similar to what you were describing. do you have a pic?

the markings are somewhat different between the two, but some Nigerian lapradei and bichir bichir do have very similar patterns.

and all the bichir bichir i've seen (in pics of course) have 15-16+ dorsal finlets (depending on how you count that last one). lapradei usually 13-14 (although 15 is definitely a possibility, just uncommon). So dorsal finlets count alone cannot be used as the ID when its in the overlapping range. i personally look at all the different features together.

from what i've read, bichir bichir grows much faster and larger.

lapradei is usually a slow grower and shy feeder. max size is listed at 2.5 feet in the wild. largest i've seen is ~2 feet. in aquariums, 18"-20" lapradei is considered large in my book, and probably takes a long time to get that big.

theres unconfirmed report of 4 feet P. bichir bichir in the wild. biggest i've seen is 2.5 feet (on japanese sites), but based on its growth, i believe it may be the largest bichir species, bigger than congicus even.
 
hm, how's these?

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the number of finlets in this case is 14.
 
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