The dark hobby

[skjl47]

Fun read.
Anytime someone has a list of measures they e taken to reduce or limit human population and it doesn’t lead off, or at least contain “participate in warfare” it frames there seriousness pretty well.

if you were serious, and it just trying to take comfort in self righteous ness, you would’ve taken some real action.

Hello; So I was supposed to kill a bunch of people to meet your standard for being serious. (participate in warfare) Thing is there have been plenty of actual wars and actions that could pass for war. Humans have managed to continue to populate in spite of those participating in warfare.

Interesting that you equate the actions I did take to "comfort in self righteous ness". As it has turned out that sort of criticism has been fairly common. That the human population has nearly doubled since the early 70"s was expected way back then. That the bulk of people were not going to get on board with stabilizing the population at the 1970's levels was also clear.

For one action I took there is and has been a benefit. I do not have to worry about the children, great grandchildren or possible great-great grandchildren I do not have. No sleepless nights. This is mostly a personal benefit but there are fewer people around to compete for diminished resources. But yes not real action I suppose.

The other things of living a smaller footprint are not going to amount to much in the overall. I do not feel very self-righteous. In the more modern slang I am not trying to virtue signal. I just have determined a way to live. I recycle oil, cardboard, metal, paper and such. I try to not waste. Not real action I guess.

 

[..puSkar..]

I just have determined a way to live

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[C. Breeze]

Hello; So I was supposed to kill a bunch of people to meet your standard for being serious. (participate in warfare) Thing is there have been plenty of actual wars and actions that could pass for war. Humans have managed to continue to populate in spite of those participating in warfare.

Interesting that you equate the actions I did take to "comfort in self righteous ness". As it has turned out that sort of criticism has been fairly common. That the human population has nearly doubled since the early 70"s was expected way back then. That the bulk of people were not going to get on board with stabilizing the population at the 1970's levels was also clear.

For one action I took there is and has been a benefit. I do not have to worry about the children, great grandchildren or possible great-great grandchildren I do not have. No sleepless nights. This is mostly a personal benefit but there are fewer people around to compete for diminished resources. But yes not real action I suppose.

The other things of living a smaller footprint are not going to amount to much in the overall. I do not feel very self-righteous. In the more modern slang I am not trying to virtue signal. I just have determined a way to live. I recycle oil, cardboard, metal, paper and such. I try to not waste. Not real action I guess.

comfort.zone. You’ve just explained having done a lot, or at least typed a fair bit, IOT maintain a comfort zone. Now, you could’ve not procreated, and taken part in voluntary population reduction or “war”, for the betterment of the human race- but that might have been less lofty and more unpleasant.albeit dramatically and significantly more effective than your half measures

 

[C. Breeze]

Hey- buddy, I’m just busting your chops… all in good fun.

On a serious note- let me be the first to thank you for everything you've done on our behalf!

 

[Niki_up]

comfort.zone. You’ve just explained having done a lot, or at least typed a fair bit, IOT maintain a comfort zone. Now, you could’ve not procreated, and taken part in voluntary population reduction or “war”, for the betterment of the human race- but that might have been less lofty and more unpleasant.albeit dramatically and significantly more effective than your half measures

I think you are misunderstanding, he is saying he didn’t procreate….so yes he did take part in voluntary population reduction. He has effectively (once his time is complete on this earth) taken his contributions to the end with him and it stops when he stops. He is now trying to lead a minimal life with the smallest foot print he possibly can.

I think more people need to be like him and not reproduce for the sake of reproducing.

 

[skjl47]

comfort.zone. You’ve just explained having done a lot, or at least typed a fair bit, IOT maintain a comfort zone. Now, you could’ve not procreated, and taken part in voluntary population reduction or “war”, for the betterment of the human race- but that might have been less lofty and more unpleasant.albeit dramatically and significantly more effective than your half measures

Hey- buddy, I’m just busting your chops… all in good fun.

On a serious note- let me be the first to thank you for everything you've done on our behalf!

Hello; I do not follow the meaning in your posts. Interesting way to bust my chops and your welcome I guess.

I think you are misunderstanding, he is saying he didn’t procreate…

Hello; This is correct.

 

[skjl47]

I think more people need to be like him and not reproduce for the sake of reproducing.

Hello; back 50 years ago there was a plan called ZPG (zero population growth) The idea being each person would have one child. A couple would have two. This would have allowed for a stable population over time and no one would have to be childless at all, unless they made a choice. Did not seem such a dire thing but there was push back.
There will still need to be children born. Today the situation is more critical on many fronts as the population is so very much higher. I do not pretend to have good answers for everyone. I do see how having fewer or no children can be a positive move from my own experience. At the very least individuals ought to think it over. My choice to remain childless had elements of thinking I was doing a right thing and a very personal side.
By the time I made the choice permanent I had been a public school teacher for a few years. I knew and cared about the children. I had determined there was no stopping the population explosion and the consequences to follow. I could not picture bringing a child of my own into the world with such a dire vision of the future. I wish that I was now a bitter old man lamenting the decision to be childless, because that would mean I had been wrong about my vision of the future. Unfortunately many of the things I feared are coming about.

 

[PYRU]

Honestly it's just a feel good choice. The brutal truth is it has zero impact on our fate. We should all strive to be better than the day before. Be kind without expecting any recognition. However, our fate has been sealed long before any of us were born. We're corrupt from birth destined to do bad things. Victims of our own success & a society of weakling narcissist. We will destroy each other long before the planet.

How can we give a crap about animals such as fish when we'll step over our neighbors body for self benefit.

I watched clips of the dark hobby & it was as expected very skewed to a narrow point of view. No positive light or clips of people doing the right thing just dramatic gloom/doom as per the usual. If there's a buck to be made theres a desperate soul willing to do walk through hell to get it. Fish, houses, cars, children, you name it. Just because theres individuals like that doesn't mean they're the majority.

 

[Niki_up]

Hello; back 50 years ago there was a plan called ZPG (zero population growth) The idea being each person would have one child. A couple would have two. This would have allowed for a stable population over time and no one would have to be childless at all, unless they made a choice.

I can 100% get behind this.

with the times we live in now there is no need to have several children, there’s no farms to tend or animals that need care in order to provide for your family. That’s why families use to be so big. The extra hands were needed to keep the family running and be able to provide food to eat.

Today most people rely on a grocery

 

[mattybecks]

Hello; So I was supposed to kill a bunch of people to meet your standard for being serious. (participate in warfare) Thing is there have been plenty of actual wars and actions that could pass for war. Humans have managed to continue to populate in spite of those participating in warfare.

Interesting that you equate the actions I did take to "comfort in self righteous ness". As it has turned out that sort of criticism has been fairly common. That the human population has nearly doubled since the early 70"s was expected way back then. That the bulk of people were not going to get on board with stabilizing the population at the 1970's levels was also clear.

For one action I took there is and has been a benefit. I do not have to worry about the children, great grandchildren or possible great-great grandchildren I do not have. No sleepless nights. This is mostly a personal benefit but there are fewer people around to compete for diminished resources. But yes not real action I suppose.

The other things of living a smaller footprint are not going to amount to much in the overall. I do not feel very self-righteous. In the more modern slang I am not trying to virtue signal. I just have determined a way to live. I recycle oil, cardboard, metal, paper and such. I try to not waste. Not real action I guess.

As Ghandi said, "be the change you wish to see in the world". I wish more people would.
If even a third of the population acted like this, and just did a little something, even small changes, it all adds up.
People who say small changes will never achieve anything, so don't bother I find to be more narrow minded and naive when looking at the bigger picture. As it has been mentioned before in the thread, they are the kind of people that have the "its not in my front yard so why bother" kind of attitude.