The End All Red Tail Catfish debate thread!!!! :)

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So I was inspired by a thread where there was much debate on the housing requirements of RTC. I'm not gonna say much here other than this could be an interesting thread if done right. I will be quick to delete negative posts towards others. This is to be a healthy debate thread where all opinions can be heard. Maybe from now on instead of debating on new comers threads we can just post a link to this one lol. :WHOA: So here ya go. I want to see all RTC controversy posted here. Tank size, fish size, breeding, husbandry, water temps, water params, gill curl, feeding live versus dead or pellets, ect. Post a topic and debate away. Just come out with no hard feelings please. :) Let the debates begin! Who knows we might even solve a few mysteries and myths in here! So anyway this is a learning tool and not a boxing ring so keep it to a minimum lol.

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Well sorry to say people will always ask the red tail questions, they are just cool cats but need to be understood , im sure tomorrow we will see someone making a new thread

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Well sorry to say people will always ask the red tail questions, they are just cool cats but need to be understood

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Not trying to stop questions, but if they are asked I would like a link with all the controversy in one place to post so their thread doesn't get filled with debate. :) Se we already got the first debate point! lol. For sure there will always be more questions than we have correct answers to.
 
you can also post links to threads that have a full debate already if you find one. That way we can consolidate a lot of info and opinions in one place. This is what I love about forums. We can come together and possibly learn from each other!!!
 
I Just found it interesting that stuffing a catfish in a glass box of equal cost of a 1k "diy" set-up is preferable by some people... I would also like to go on the record that being 6 monthes pregnant, having a 20month old.. building from brick/concrete/ect was not an option... did I mention the part about being on restrictions? however spending a healthy chunk of change on a "temporary" set-up for more then just my catfish was an option... the only other option I had was to re-home fish that we are all aware of are almost impossible to re-home properly. Instead of force my fish to become stunted in small tanks like most people do I went w/ a "less then nice looking" set-up but meets my pets needs.

These are living breathing beings, not artwork... Same goes for my old thoroughbred horse... he lives in a 10acer field w/ other horses and comes into a comfy, safe old barn at night to sleep. It is not a state of the art 2k a month boarding barn w/ the latest and greatest innovations. Somewhere people started thinking "looks" where more important then function and health. My fish are rarely if ever sick, and I lose fish generally to freak instances not from predation from other tank-mates crammed into to small a tank, poor water quality or filtration.

I feed Mostly live food, and augment that with high quality pellets... Instead of spending 10k on a glass box.. I spent 2k on a pool and my fish eat better then most people I know do.

My fish also tend to reach wild average sizes or better, so it doesn't bother me if people disagree with what I do. But it does bother me to say your a better caretaker because I use elbow grease and ingenuity to accomplish what others have to toss money at to accomplish the same means. I enjoy sitting on a barstool in our basement and feeding our fish which btw I can see just fine. my catfish don't bash their faces on the walls and hurt themselves... the gar don't spook and have PLENTY of swimming space... none of my fish have issues turning and at the end of the week when I change 500 gallons of water which we pay for every drop... my nitrates are rarely over 5ppm.

Prove to me i'm doing something "wrong" and I am more then happy to learn and improve my ways.. but telling me to put my fish in a glass box 1/2 the size of a lined pool ( I was advised to line it from the get-go but I learned my lesson and learned it well) and I'll tell you exactly how backwards you have your priorities for your pets. I would also love to know how to bring a 1k gallon glass or acrylic tank down a basement flight of stairs ect.... I simply would not be able to get anything remotely as large as the pool in our basement unless I built it myself or paid someone else to do it. ( and since this is our last child we do plan on something much more permanent and plan on doing most of the work ourselves, But right now its not doable.)

I've spent more in "careing" for my fish in the past 3 monthes then what the initial set-up cost... funny how people think the tank and equipment is the expensive part.

/rant off

Not trying to fight or argue but had to get that off my chest... I like how people assume things.

OH and running duel dehumidifiers 24/7 is very inexpensive I might add ;)

I can't imagine my fish back in a small cramped tank now that I've seen them actually swim more then a few paces and back again in a glass box.
 
lol monsterminis. Tnx for posting. So lets not direct at anyone but would anyone like to debate RTC housed in aquariums vs. ponds? Ponds= Cheaper, hard work (not that aquariums of that size wouldn't but maybe not as much as a pond for set up at least), and viewing from above. You can get same or more gallonage than aquariums and usually offers better footprint unless you have a monster tank custom built which would be a necessity for an adult RTC. Tanks look nicer(some at least anyway imo), initial costs are very high for one this size, tanks are off the ground. Both can have a huge variety of different filtration. Set up costs are going to be over 1k either way, but likely 10k or more for an aquarium for adult RTC. I'm sure you could get less expensive the more ghetto you make it, but I'm just saying on average for everything. :) I favor ponds at this point for really large fish unless I win the lotto. Catfish are gorgeous from all angles.
 
lol monsterminis. Tnx for posting. So lets not direct at anyone but would anyone like to debate RTC housed in aquariums vs. ponds? Ponds= Cheaper, hard work (not that aquariums of that size wouldn't but maybe not as much as a pond for set up at least), and viewing from above. You can get same or more gallonage than aquariums and usually offers better footprint unless you have a monster tank custom built which would be a necessity for an adult RTC. Tanks look nicer(some at least anyway imo), initial costs are very high for one this size, tanks are off the ground. Both can have a huge variety of different filtration. Set up costs are going to be over 1k either way, but likely 10k or more for an aquarium for adult RTC. I'm sure you could get less expensive the more ghetto you make it, but I'm just saying on average for everything. :) I favor ponds at this point for really large fish unless I win the lotto. Catfish are gorgeous from all angles.

oh yeah the point! lol, is there any difference for the fish keeping it in an aquarium vs. pond??? Is one better kept than the other if water params check and the fish has plenty of space?
 
I would think that an outdoor pond in the right climate would be more beneficial due to the natural weather elements. The lack of minerals in the rain water (as opposed to tap) and most importantly, the temperature swings and the season changes. It would seem like a more natural environment and I would assume that would improve the overall health and growth potential of the fish.


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I total agree with this, but lets say we take outdoor ponds out of the situation. Now we just have indoor ponds and tanks. :) Climate controlled to the max, and both have identical filtration and water params. I think you could argue either one being better for the person involved based on your preference, but is there really any difference for the fish' health, ect?

I would think that an outdoor pond in the right climate would be more beneficial due to the natural weather elements. The lack of minerals in the rain water (as opposed to tap) and most importantly, the temperature swings and the season changes. It would seem like a more natural environment and I would assume that would improve the overall health and growth potential of the fish.


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I honestly believe in tailoring my fishes needs w/ the individual species instead of blanketing them.. I think you can accomplish in a "tank" the same things you can accomplish in a "pond" given the talent/skills of the building involved and the size of the fish. TBH I have noticed with my species that tend to have issues in tanks with breaking their noses ect from ramming into glass is rarely an issue in ponds.

a few of the reasons we decided on a intex pool ect....

1. We needed footprint vs height.

2. We needed something they wouldn't bash into or spook easily in. Not being able to see outside the enclosure was "common sense" to us that this would work and research of others keeping our species in similar set-ups

3. surface space, for o2 exchange ect.. but also to allow our gar ample area to breathe.

And at the end of the day I didn't feel it "right" to house 2'+ fish in even 30" deep tanks.... the options get narrower and narrower the bigger fish get. and at the end of the day "minimum requirements" aren't good enough for me or my pets.

Outdoor ponds housing tropicals are pretty common in climates that can accomidate them and everyone always OOohs an aaahs over them I don't really see the difference in doing one in my basement considering we live in the lovely Midwest. Also I must say some of the nicest "monsters" come out of those types of set-ups not aquariums.

The truly wonderful part about all of this is atm our biggest fish is 24"+ I don't even keep 30"+ beasts yet ( hopefully my babies will grow up big and strong though =) ) And No way no how could I feel right putting them into a 220, 300, heck even a 500 for the most part.

RTC's are def one of the most often kept "big fish" But this really goes for all big cats, gar, arrowana, rays. Species that the rarity is seeing one in captivity that rivals the wild caught ones, not the record breakers but average sized ones. If "we" where doing it right as a general rule we'de see more 4' RTCS and other "monsters" meeting their average wild sizes imo. Fish grow to their surroundings good or bad. Truth? Bad is seen waaay more often then good.

I know enough to admit I don't know a damn thing, but knowledgeable enough to see it.
 
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