The "it's only temporary" statement

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I have been and still am a "its just temporary" person. the 10g was a temp tank for the Oscar, that became the 30g just temp for the Oscar, next was the 95g just temp for the Oscar, next was the 180g. that's not a temp, but, I have 2 juvi JD pair in the 30g, that's temp. I have 2 Jags now, each in there own 95g, that's temp as i want to move them into another 180, move the JD pair into one of the 95g, and use the other 95g for the pleco and cat currently with the Oscar or put my spawning pair of JD in it.

but agreed most who say its just temp end up not following though for what ever reason.
 
My tank is big enough given the hiding places and the varieties in it.

Yet, last week, i decided to upgr1de to a 700l (up from a 600l) just because bigger is better for the fishes imo, and the one i have while pretty nice has an unremovable background that takes too much space in my taste.

Ultimately, i will perhaps add a silver aro, only given that it fits in a 200x70 surface area. Which is yet to be determined and researched for. Even if there are quite a bit of people holding them in much smaller. :x

All that to say, for all those who say it d don't, thank goodness, there are people who don't say it ald do! :D

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Don't forget, also, that many of the people who make this "mistake" often either get rid of the fish, or the fish dies, because that person didn't do their homework in the first place. I would say THAT makes up the biggest percentage, rather than focusing on who actually does upgrade.

That said - just like with food - your eyes are bigger than your stomach. I don't hold it against them, either - they all have to learn somehow.
Plus - I have knowingly put fish into tanks that are way too small for them, too, knowing that at least I'm responsible enough to know how to care for them properly, aside from tank space.

Another angle is; lots of people keep buying and buying (I used to) until no matter what size tank, you still have to either downsize, or upgrade. For example, most of the "giant tanks" on here are FULL, way overstocked.
 
I remember reading somewere that most people who quit from fish keeping do it within the first year. And the long term keeper rate after 1 year really high.

I wonder how much of that statement is related to this lol.


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So many MonsterFishKeepers, so few MonsterFishTanks. It's pretty sad.

I have a love/hate relationship with this site. Seeing the huge number of people failing miserably at keeping these awesome creatures is upsetting, but for those that are doing a good job it's a beautiful sight to see.

Wild guesses here on the percentage that actually upgrade based on species being purchased...

Arapaima: .001% (could be lower...I only know of two people in this site with tanks large enough to keep a Pima).
Bumblebee Grouper: .001%
RTC: less than 1%
GATF: less than 1% (The fact that a 15" specimen is a big deal shows you how poorly keepers of this species are doing at keeping them; 15" is still a little baby).
Silver Aros: around 5%

I actually bump old threads of people who have purchased Pimas and other monsters for an update and usually all I hear is crickets. A girl recently bragged about acquiring an American Alligator which she is currently keeping in a metal water trough. Of course, her plan is to "upgrade." I will bump that thread over the next few years to see if she is fulfilling her obligation to properly care for the animal.
 
I hope to not be one of those "it's only temporary" people myself. I have purchased 2 silver arowana and two reticulated stingrays under the assumption that I would upgrade. I am selling 1 of the arowana only due to the fact the 2 of them do NOTget along. They are currently in a 75 gallon tank with a lot of filtration. 2 aqua clear 100's and two 55 gallon sponge filters and also every other day 20% water change. I am currently designing a 580 gallon aquarium for the three fish and plan on building myself. But you are all right in the fact that life happens, unexpected bills come up and so on. Also the expense is true as well. I currently run 6 fish tanks and my electric bill is around 200 a month. I will be downsizing to do the 580 gallon tank. But I think it is 50/50 on who actually upgrades.


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Not a dig at the younger generation but that to me seems to be the majority of the "gonna upgrade soon" crowd. That or the people that are just getting into the hobby. I am one of those people who start a project and then get over excited about how I could do this or I could do that to make it so much better and never getting around to doing anything at all. I'm great at taking things apart it's the putting it back together that eludes me lol.

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I've been working at a lfs for over two years now and let me tell you guys... Very few people actually size up and most people over stock the crap out of their tanks. I have only met 2 people that said they were going to size up and actually sized up.

Everyone else brags to me about their bkg or red tail cats in their 55s.


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I think (most) novice fish keepers buy fish because they are cool and nothing else about the size that it can grow and how much water and work it's going to take. When I started fish keepers, I was one of them so I bought different types of fish even though they weren't compatible and the tank was way to small. I also dreamed that one day I can get a huge tank, but of course that never happened and all of my fish died by being overcrowded or having diseases that I didn't know how to treat. Know o I'm pretty good with my fish. I guess the moral of the story is don't buy fish before buying a tank to keep it in that is big enough to keep so the fish can live a healthy life. It's like buying a Pima, Pacu, aro, RTC etc....and thinking it can stay in a small tank until they are too big for the tank and you will be buildig a gigantic tank to keep them in. I'm not trying to flame, but most big fish that get huge. I had a friend who used his big swimming pool for a tank for his pima, aros, pacus and Oscars. You will need thousands of dollars keeping these fish and if you don't have something big enough to keep them, you're going to find out the hard way that no one wants them. Hobbyist like to see their little fish grow but then they don't know what to do when they get huge. I have a friend who had a huge silver aro, huge jardini and gigantic pacu. He had a huge home made and but he was moving and it would be too hard to move everthing. He called a lot of zoo, and fish stores and no one wanted them, even for free. The LFS will be losing money everyday keeping such large fish that are expensive and large because most are looking for small fish for small tanks that can adequately house them because they will probably the lose a lot of money because without anyone buying them LFS keep them for years and no one will buy them. Also, he called the huge California of Sciences with huge tanks with a gigantic amount of huge, large fish. They didn't want them because they already have a huge amount of large fish (aros, pimas, sturgeon, RTC etc... If buying a fish that will be huge when grown and keeping them until they are too large for their tank is probably a bad idea but you better be sure that you have the means to keep them, Ed. Also, check out the website for the California of Sciences. You'll feel like your in heaven with all the fish, animals, attraction. They also have a cool alligator pit and they have a cool, rare albino alligator named Claude. A must see attraction you will have to go there at least once in your lifetime, The Doctor.
 
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