The Yangtze River Dolphin is probably Extinct.

[Kobeclone]

What, are you saying its Neo's grandparents in china who killed the dolphins?

If they have any say in the building of the 3 gorges dam or have polluted the Yangtze River or its tributaries in any way, then YES.

For the record, I do understand that the Chinese people living close to the dam who would have to be evacuated due to mass flooding were against the building of the dam, but these people represent only a small percent of 1.3 billion

 

[Kobeclone]

You mean american govt?

Btw, I know this fish hobby, consists of chinese, japanese, americans, canadians, whoever, is endangering major fish species from south america. Maybe you should only buy cb species.

No, not at all.

Hundreds or possibly thousands of United States citizens practice captive breeding to ensure the survival of species. Look at the breeding efforts being done with black aros and many species of rays....

 

[Scorponok]

Yeah, don't build the dam and let annual flooding kill thousands of chinese people each year. Not the mention let the chinese live like a third world country with candles for lighting because they need to save the dolphins.

Do you even know the costs and benfits of building the dam? It will reduce green house gas and air pollution to reduce global warming so the polar bears don't extinct.

 

[Kobeclone]

Yeah, don't build the dam and let annual flooding kill thousands of chinese people each year. Not the mention let the chinese live like a third world country with candles for lighting because they need to save the dolphins.

Do you even know the costs and benfits of building the dam? It will reduce green house gas and air pollution to reduce global warming so the polar bears don't extinct.

Have thousands of civilizations not learned the conseqences of building by water the hard way???

If hobbyists can successfully help save a species, why can't an entire country???? With the amount of money that China is loaning America for the war in Iraq, I am sure that they can spare $250,000,000 to set up one of the world's best captive breeding programs...

I did my college biology (yes I am only a junior in high school) thesis on the possible conseqences of the 3 gorges dam.......


Do we need to get into a global warming debate??? This is a topic of great interest to me, and I have researched it thoroughly. I promise you that you will lose.The polar bears are already virtually extinct. At the rate of population decline they are experiencing and at the rate of the ice caps melting, polar bears will be extinct in 2036 and polar ice GONE by 2050. If global warming is decreasing polar ice, and currently the G-8 (do you even know what G-8 stands for?) nation's goal is to half greenhouse emissions by 2050, polar ice and polar bears are already extinct....

 

[Arachnar]

Yes the government is to blame not the general population. Also I've done research on the dam and watched a documentary,neither of which praised the dam. I think that it's a political move by the Chinese government to show the power and strength of their nation. I think they have largely failed the world in showing themselves in a positive light.

It also censures people, like author and waterworks specialt Dai Qing, who opposed the building of the dam, and there you go many people are left not getting the full perspective. It not like there aren't people from China who don't oppose it.

My issues with the Dam-Wipes out native species
-the dam could cause worse earthquakes due to induced seismicity
-the large amount of sediment the Yangtze produces could clog the dam;the sluice gates the engineers put in have never been testing in large scale and might not even work.
-Historical sites that date back to thousands of years of chinese history will be lost forever
-The reservoir has caused numerous landslides
-1.3 million,give or take, must be resettled
-Many have moved back and the government doesn't keep track of the resettlement anymore which means that people lose their houses registrations.
-Millions of dollars have been embezzled by local official so many people are not getting their resettlement money.
-pollutions like raw sewage is no longer being flushed away by a undammed river.


I think we should not argue as the three gorges and other massive waterworks projects are already started or to completion. We should remember the dolphin. I think this is one of those hard lessons the government and the people will learn in time and greatly regret.

 

[Arachnar]

Have thousands of civilizations not learned the conseqences of building by water the hard way???

If hobbyists can successfully help save a species, why can't an entire country???? With the amount of money that China is loaning America for the war in Iraq, I am sure that they can spare $250,000,000 to set up one of the world's best captive breeding programs...

I did my college biology (yes I am only a junior in high school) thesis on the possible conseqences of the 3 gorges dam.......


Do we need to get into a global warming debate??? This is a topic of great interest to me, and I have researched it thoroughly. I promise you that you will lose.The polar bears are already virtually extinct. At the rate of population decline they are experiencing and at the rate of the ice caps melting, polar bears will be extinct in 2036 and polar ice GONE by 2050. If global warming is decreasing polar ice, and currently the G-8 (do you even know what G-8 stands for?) nation's goal is to half greenhouse emissions by 2050, polar ice and polar bears are already extinct....

I hope that we wil actually do something to change our ways and possibly save the environment. I honestly don't think captive breeding is what China's interested in. They tryed to breed the Baiji but any mates they introduced from the wild died before their only captive one could breed.

 

[Kobeclone]

Yes the government is to blame not the general population. Also I've done research on the dam and watched a documentary,neither of which praised the dam. I think that it's a political move by the Chinese government to show the power and strength of their nation. I think they have largely failed the world in showing themselves in a positive light.

It also censures people, like author and waterworks specialt Dai Qing, who opposed the building of the dam, and there you go many people are left not getting the full perspective. It not like there aren't people from China who don't oppose it.

My issues with the Dam-Wipes out native species
-the dam could cause worse earthquakes due to induced seismicity
-the large amount of sediment the Yangtze produces could clog the dam;the sluice gates the engineers put in have never been testing in large scale and might not even work.
-Historical sites that date back to thousands of years of chinese history will be lost forever
-The reservoir has caused numerous landslides
-1.3 million,give or take, must be resettled
-Many have moved back and the government doesn't keep track of the resettlement anymore which means that people lose their houses registrations.
-Millions of dollars have been embezzled by local official so many people are not getting their resettlement money.
-pollutions like raw sewage is no longer being flushed away by a undammed river.


I think we should not argue as the three gorges and other massive waterworks projects are already started or to completion. We should remember the dolphin. I think this is one of those hard lessons the government and the people will learn in time and greatly regret.

I agree with most of what you said....

Said perfectly. I personally also believe that building this dam was to flex some muscle and show that they are one the verge of overtaking America as the greatest nation in the world...

I'm surprised with myself that I didn't bring those points up....

 

[Scorponok]

Have thousands of civilizations not learned the conseqences of building by water the hard way???

If hobbyists can successfully help save a species, why can't an entire country???? With the amount of money that China is loaning America for the war in Iraq, I am sure that they can spare $250,000,000 to set up one of the world's best captive breeding programs...

I did my college biology (yes I am only a junior in high school) thesis on the possible conseqences of the 3 gorges dam.......


Do we need to get into a global warming debate??? This is a topic of great interest to me, and I have researched it thoroughly. I promise you that you will lose.The polar bears are already virtually extinct. At the rate of population decline they are experiencing and at the rate of the ice caps melting, polar bears will be extinct in 2036 and polar ice GONE by 2050. If global warming is decreasing polar ice, and currently the G-8 (do you even know what G-8 stands for?) nation's goal is to half greenhouse emissions by 2050, polar ice and polar bears are already extinct....

You failed because your thesis only focused on consequences of the dam, not benefits. That's not a cost/benefit analysis at all.

As far as global warming, how many years has the US being the number 1 CO2 polluter before overtaken by China in 2006? Can we say f americans then?

 

[Kobeclone]

You failed because your thesis only focused on consequences of the dam, not benefits. That's not a cost/benefit analysis at all.

As far as global warming, how many years has the US being the number 1 CO2 polluter before overtaken by China in 2006? Can we say f americans then?

I thoroughly researched the entire cost/benefit spectrum of the 3 gorges dam, but then decided to look only at the consequence of the dam in my thesis [because it could not be more than 20 double spaced (MLA format) pages in length]....


Name the last species (off the top of your head- don't cheat by using the internet) of any organism that was present ONLY in America that went extinct because of human activity..........

 

[Scorponok]

i think it's a type of frog