The Yangtze River Dolphin is probably Extinct.
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Alistriwen;1981683; said:Nope.
Scorponok, the first two links you posted are dead or don't work for folks outside china... the two quotes don't substantiate your claim and the third link you posted specifically states
I don't think anyone was trying to claim that the U.S. or any other government was perfect, but at least once the U.S. realized the problem they started trying to do something about it. The Chinese government has access to the same environmental studies as the U.S. gov and governments around the world but in modern times has done little to conserve species on its own soil.
Now, as I mentioned, with a billion people, more than half of whom are living in miserable conditions, China has a great deal to be concerned about without having to worry about conservation efforts, but there is certainly more they could do, even so. The problem is the Chinese government is more concerned now with trying to reap the rewards of state controlled capitalism whilst maintaining the iron control of a communist state, than it is about saving the planet.
I don't why you can't see the link, I am not in China. I will just copy n paste here. And next time don't respond with a nope so ignorantly without reading the link.
China to Build Yangtze River Dolphin Reserve
A plan to build a nature reserve for freshwater dolphins, including one of the rarest dolphins in the world, has passed technical evaluation.
According to the plan, put forward by the Zhenjiang municipal government and Jiangsu Provincial Marine and Fisheries Administration, the reserve will be located in the Zhenjiang section of the Yangtze River, the world's third-longest.
The reserve will cover 43.4 square km. It will be built in an area where the water flows slowly and part of the reserve is backwater zone with sufficient natural foodstuffs and little human activity.
White-flag dolphins and other dolphins have been found from time to time in the area of the planned reserve.
The white-flag dolphin, described by experts as a "living fossil" and native to China, has been listed by the Chinese government as one of the most endangered species in the country. Experts believe that its total population is less than 100.
Local officials said the planned reserve will be good for protecting the freshwater species and conducive to the research and protection of the diversity of aquatic wildlife.
Earlier this year, the government of neighboring Anhui Province established the country's first reserve for Yangtze River white-flag dolphins, in Tongling.
China Protects Only Freshwater Dolphin
China will try to move all white flag dolphins and black finless porpoises in the Yangtze River to a nature reserve and be bred under artificial conditions when the ecological conditions in the river can hardly improve, according to a seminar on the protection of the freshwater dolphin held in Wuhan.
According to Professor Zhang Xianfeng of the Institute of Aquatic Biology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Ministry of Agriculture, the bureau of fisheries and his institute will join in efforts to move the dolphins and porpoises in the wild into Tianer’zhou nature reserve.
The institute have tried to breed 10 black finless porpoises in the reserve which was the ancient river channel of the river. Now, there are 20 in the reserve.
As the ecological conditions in the river basin worsens, the river is no longer the paradise for them. If no steps are taken, the white flag dolphins will disappear from the earth in 25 years.
Again scorponok, you fail to understand the text you have posted. These measures which have yet to be put in place are retroactive not proactive. You asked if the Chinese had tried to save them and the answer was no, they did not. These conservation areas haven't been constructed yet, and they would rely on finding surviving members of the species in large enough numbers to create a viable breeding population. Even with the two links you copied and pasted now, both of which are from one source only..
Furthermore, how dare you call me ignorant? You yourself did not read the article that YOU posted and tried to use it to prove your point when in fact it contradicted you. Then you did it AGAIN with your most recent posting.
Lastly, do not ever tell me or anyone else what to do, as you are clearly not qualified to be giving that sort of advice.
Why would it include this if they had already set up a reserve and saved the dolphins?If no steps are taken, the white flag dolphins will disappear from the earth in 25 years.
Furthermore, how dare you call me ignorant? You yourself did not read the article that YOU posted and tried to use it to prove your point when in fact it contradicted you. Then you did it AGAIN with your most recent posting.
Lastly, do not ever tell me or anyone else what to do, as you are clearly not qualified to be giving that sort of advice.
I should have dated the source. The first article talks about planning is dated in Dec 2001, and the second one about breeding them is dated in October 2002. It would only mean that the reservation has been set up for the breeding project already.
If the conversation hasn't been constructed as you assumed then how did they breed porpoises stated in the second article? Again, what they're trying to do is no different than what the Americans did to the endangered native indians, to relocate them to breeding conservations, or rather, reservations.
If the conversation hasn't been constructed as you assumed then how did they breed porpoises stated in the second article? Again, what they're trying to do is no different than what the Americans did to the endangered native indians, to relocate them to breeding conservations, or rather, reservations.
The porpoise in question was never declared functionally extinct. There were far more surviving members of the species and conservation was possible. The fact that your articles are dated is further proof. The dolphin was declared extinct in 2006/7 and no conservation has gone on. The porpoise is not indigenous only to china and populations exist all around south east Asia. The species has not even been declared endangered.. anywhere except china that is... If you can't read into the implication there, so be it.
Efforts to conserve endangered species started in the 60s and 70s around the world, long before China made any attempt to preserve the dolphins and porpoises. The attempt to save the dolphins was far too little far too late, we shall see how it goes with the porpoise. I suspect that if they begin to interfere with one of China's economic concerns they will be tossed aside.
Efforts to conserve endangered species started in the 60s and 70s around the world, long before China made any attempt to preserve the dolphins and porpoises. The attempt to save the dolphins was far too little far too late, we shall see how it goes with the porpoise. I suspect that if they begin to interfere with one of China's economic concerns they will be tossed aside.
Alistriwen;1984457; said:The porpoise in question was never declared functionally extinct. There were far more surviving members of the species and conservation was possible. The fact that your articles are dated is further proof. The dolphin was declared extinct in 2006/7 and no conservation has gone on. The porpoise is not indigenous only to china and populations exist all around south east Asia. The species has not even been declared endangered.. anywhere except china that is... If you can't read into the implication there, so be it.
Efforts to conserve endangered species started in the 60s and 70s around the world, long before China made any attempt to preserve the dolphins and porpoises. The attempt to save the dolphins was far too little far too late, we shall see how it goes with the porpoise. I suspect that if they begin to interfere with one of China's economic concerns they will be tossed aside.
Now that you have changed your position from "Nope, China does nothing to preserve the dolphins" to "China attempts to preserve the dolphins too little far too late", I think my work is done. You may be right about the too little too late part but you are wrong it being declared extinct. A species can't be classified as extinct until no animal has been found in the wild for 50 years. That's starting 2002 and counting.
As far as the porpoise situation and population, you are wrong again. According to op's article,
The researchers warn that a similar fate could await a subspecies of the finless porpoise Neophocaena phocaenoides, which only lives in the Yangtze and is already extremely rare.
You sounded like it's ok not to perserve the porpoise because they are plentiful in other parts of the world and not endangered. This kind of mentality is what gets animals to become extinct in the first place. The fact that you even bash China's attempt to try to preserve the porpoises, before it's too little too late, goes to show your prejudice, that you will criticize China either way.
Scorponok;1984952; said:Now that you have changed your position from "Nope, China does nothing to preserve the dolphins" to "China attempts to preserve the dolphins too little far too late", I think my work is done. You may be right about the too little too late part but you are wrong it being declared extinct. A species can't be classified as extinct until no animal has been found in the wild for 50 years. That's starting 2002 and counting.
As far as the porpoise situation and population, you are wrong again. According to op's article,
You sounded like it's ok not to perserve the porpoise because they are plentiful in other parts of the world and not endangered. This kind of mentality is what gets animals to become extinct in the first place. The fact that you even bash China's attempt to try to preserve the porpoises, before it's too little too late, goes to show your prejudice, that you will criticize China either way.
OMG buddy you really do have a problem with reading comprehension, I will high light a few things for you...
they said that they were going to save the dolphin's in '01/'02 it is now '08 6 years later atleast 6 spawns if not more and they are now extinct or close to it...The researchers warn that a similar fate could await a subspecies of the finless porpoise Neophocaena phocaenoides, which only lives in the Yangtze and is already extremely rare.
so there for they did what they always do tell people one thing to make them happy and then didnt do it...
what Alistriwen is saying about the porpoise is that the world stepped in such as organizations like WWF so China couldn't do anything to harm the porpoise with out being punished...
He was also saying the if the porpoise impedes China from making money in some way that the porpoise will lose the fight against the chinese government and that the porpoise is only endangered in china.
so all I can say is before you go arguing with people go back to school, take english and learn what the words mean.
i am sorry,but the dolphin is already instinct for over a year.
i had already see this bull**** at tv in 2006.
i had already see this bull**** at tv in 2006.
Yes flemming I think we agreed on that already, the species is extinct but there still might be one or two still alive, but in such a useless number they have no chance.
Arachnar;1985660; said:Yes flemming I think we agreed on that already, the species is extinct but there still might be one or two still alive, but in such a useless number they have no chance.
if we can clone a sheep why cant we clone a fish?
