Thanks so much to SharptoothBass' for the account of working for HS. I suspected some of this but a lot of this is an eye-opener for me. Deeply, deeply disturbing. Expropriating animals to kill them is not rescuing.
This has been bugging me for a while.
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He never said that, and he never witnessed that. This is the real problem with society, a lack of reading comprehension skills and a mass that jumps to every knee jerk reaction posted on a public forum. Bills story here is a prime example, mostly just based on sketchy second hand information from a supplier that is most likely pissed due to his sudden drop in pre Xmas sales to this sore.
The store was a filth hole, some animals that were rescued were also destroyed. If they had a choice and could make an intelligent decision based on their condition, I'm quite comfortable with believing that many of those sick animals would have chosen death. I sure as F would have.
Are PETA made up of crazy people Obviously. Are those same types found within HS, for sure - but please don't discount the manner in which some ignorant cheap ass no good pieces of sheet keep their animals, including fish. If not for these organizations - no one would do ANYTHING. Society has created the need for these types, so thank yourselves for the situation that you all find yourselves in.
Im so happy RD made that post. I figured the store had to have messed up somewhere.
And after reading that wild bill had his zoo shut down these threads make sense now.
And after reading that wild bill had his zoo shut down these threads make sense now.
And once again society can take a bow. These types of bans typically only come into place due to lazy, ignorant, hobbyists, who release these fish into natural waterways without considering the potential for long term damage. Thank the idiot standing next to you, not our Govt. This scene has already played out all across NA, with numerous species.
And the reason for banning ALL snakeheads, is due to the fact that when immature, it can be very difficult to differentiate between species, and as we already know, if you ban only 1 type or species within a genus, those that feel that they are above the law will spend a lifetime attempting to smuggle that one type in. Hence the genus ban. Our Govt doesn't have the experts nor the funding available to fight this type of crime, unless you feel that we should raise everyone's taxes to support this type of snakehead screening process. Not likely.
Given a choice, I would unfortunately have to vote for the ban. Attempting to educate idiots is fine by me, but not with my hard earned money. No thanks.
I respect you RD but not all snakeheads need to be banned only the ones that can survive our climate. This bill comes into effect Jan. 1st and no one has lobbied against it. We are all being slowly and carefully manipulated into believing what the government wants not juat the animal rights groups wants. Our rights are slipping away and we are in favor of it because some piece of a bill makes people happy. However the whole and danferous part is never disclosed.
RD our fish and wild should do something for their pay checks and border services is supposed to check every package entering the country. Yet talk to people who cross our borders and they tell you whether you get searched or not is like drawing straws. One thing I will safely assume is that this new bill will do us no good. Our aquarium clubs should have stood together and lobbied against it. But as we wittnessed this fall RD our new government doesn't care what Abertans say.
As for your comments eh they are typical of someone who believes what ever they read on the internet. My family fought for 25 years breaking our backs caring for our animals and as I said a few nuts got their way. We had over 500 000 people come out a little town of 3000 peaople over the years. Do you not think that helped the enconomy of a small town. But I know I am wasting my breath talking to you because you are only one step away from jumping on the PETA band wagon. Your opinion may be a lot different if you had ever had a phone call threatening to blow place and to bits. So when you have survived the harrassment my family survived we can talk.
That said that is why I get so passionate and worked up about these issues. We will all soon be deemed wrong no matter how well we care for our pets. Because as we know there is no way we can supply the space and conditions an animals has in the wild. Even if what we give them is safer and cleaner it is wrong in the eyes of the animal rights nuts.
RD our fish and wild should do something for their pay checks and border services is supposed to check every package entering the country. Yet talk to people who cross our borders and they tell you whether you get searched or not is like drawing straws. One thing I will safely assume is that this new bill will do us no good. Our aquarium clubs should have stood together and lobbied against it. But as we wittnessed this fall RD our new government doesn't care what Abertans say.
As for your comments eh they are typical of someone who believes what ever they read on the internet. My family fought for 25 years breaking our backs caring for our animals and as I said a few nuts got their way. We had over 500 000 people come out a little town of 3000 peaople over the years. Do you not think that helped the enconomy of a small town. But I know I am wasting my breath talking to you because you are only one step away from jumping on the PETA band wagon. Your opinion may be a lot different if you had ever had a phone call threatening to blow place and to bits. So when you have survived the harrassment my family survived we can talk.
That said that is why I get so passionate and worked up about these issues. We will all soon be deemed wrong no matter how well we care for our pets. Because as we know there is no way we can supply the space and conditions an animals has in the wild. Even if what we give them is safer and cleaner it is wrong in the eyes of the animal rights nuts.
I have witnessed it, i dont know how you know what i saw but i have seen dogs taken just to be killed many times. When these dogs were healthy and happy. I have personaly cared for pregnant dogs through their whole pregnancy and after the pups were born and weened off of milk and raised to a certain age the mom and pups were killed. We all knew they would be killed because we didnt adopt out pitbulls when i first started and a lot of us couldnt understand why you would raise pups just to kill them, to the people who made the rules it was cruel to kill a pregnant dog but not 10 week old pups. I had to personaly hold down dogs who were healthy and not treated inhumamely to be killed. One of my favorite dogs BUTCH was killed because he was said to be too big and never considered for adoption. I have witness yorkies and poddles who had bitten staff be placed for adoption because to the peope who killed one dog for being too big they couldnt be killed because they were too cute. I personaly saw officers lie and intimidate peope to take animals we knew we would kill. I have seen a dog taken because we feel his kennel is a foot too small even though he is healthy and is only in the kennel while the owner is at work and we kill the dog. Some people do horrible things to animals but the shelter i worked at also did some horrible things to animals. Im not going to go back and forth because i know what ive seen, and i would never support these organizations. I quit becase i couldnt take it any more and when i quit they were trying to get me to work with the guy who did dog training because i was so good with the dogs. I was hired by the director at the time because she heard how good i was with dogs from a employee and i proved i was, they would send problem dogs from DCAC for me to work with so im not just talking out the side of my neck. I would rather the government run these places instead of having people off of the streets do it but the government seems happy to pass the buck to the private sector of fanatics. DCAC is under the DOH and is supposed to be government ran but it is really ran by th WHS wich is a private shelter wich i dont understand either. Thats it for me so everyone belive and support what you want it your life not mine. Just dont complain if your kids and gr kids cant own pets.
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BIll, all that yet you failed to comment on what I posted with regards to the store in question, the one that you started this thread about. Have you ever been in the back, seen how many of their exotic animals were cared for? This type of leaping to a conclusion is exactly what you are constantly pointing your finger at when it comes to the animal rights groups. I on other hand actually posted some direct links with regards to these charges, and posted some of MY personal observations from over the years.
With regards to snakeheads, did you not read what I just posted??? This is exactly how all of the illegal fly river turtles showed up in LFS, such as this store. Captive bred are legal, but other than 67 turtles back in 2006, exported to the USA from Indonesia, the rest are illegal. None have ever been legally imported into Canada, so ALL of these tens of thousands of turtles that are shipped out via the black market in Indonesia are illegal. Illegal to import to the FS, and illegal to sell. Yet they attempt to do so via the guise of being captive bred on a farm, which typically equates to eggs being collected in the wild, and then hatched in captivity. Still illegal.
Give a crook an inch .... Same thing would happen with snakeheads - in fact, it already has. Do some homework then get back to me.
With regards to snakeheads, did you not read what I just posted??? This is exactly how all of the illegal fly river turtles showed up in LFS, such as this store. Captive bred are legal, but other than 67 turtles back in 2006, exported to the USA from Indonesia, the rest are illegal. None have ever been legally imported into Canada, so ALL of these tens of thousands of turtles that are shipped out via the black market in Indonesia are illegal. Illegal to import to the FS, and illegal to sell. Yet they attempt to do so via the guise of being captive bred on a farm, which typically equates to eggs being collected in the wild, and then hatched in captivity. Still illegal.
Give a crook an inch .... Same thing would happen with snakeheads - in fact, it already has. Do some homework then get back to me.
Healthy happy dogs, taken to be killed. I understand that many animals are rescued, and later are euthanized. If what you say is true, you worked for some seriously Fd up individuals. That certainly isn't how things are typically done, where myself and the OP live and is not what is taking place with the owner of the LFS in question in this discussion.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/how-a-freakish-predator-put-a-markham-vendor-behind-bars/article5323769/
Same store mentioned in this discussion about FRT’s.
http://ovas.ca/forum/index.php?topic=18095.5;wap2
Another former customer of mine …….
https://www.ec.gc.ca/alef-ewe/default.asp?lang=En&n=882C0307-1
But it’s unrealistic to expect the CBSA to check each and every item that crosses into our borders. No different than any other border in the world. This is precisely why these illegal items end up for sale, It’s impossible to stop them all. So I suspect that the general consensus is that it is far easier and more cost effective to simply ban all snakeheads, than spend millions of dollars in resources in an attempt to only keep out one species. It’s certainly not ideal for hobbyists who keep this genus, but we only have our fellow hobbyists to blame.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/three-arrested-for-smuggling-snakehead-fish-from-border-94621/
With this genus, the problem appears to be world-wide, with no simple solution.
I understand your concern, Bill, but don't think that using Riverfront Aquariums as your cause is going to gain you any great deal of support.
Happy Holidays!
Same store mentioned in this discussion about FRT’s.
http://ovas.ca/forum/index.php?topic=18095.5;wap2
Another former customer of mine …….
https://www.ec.gc.ca/alef-ewe/default.asp?lang=En&n=882C0307-1
But it’s unrealistic to expect the CBSA to check each and every item that crosses into our borders. No different than any other border in the world. This is precisely why these illegal items end up for sale, It’s impossible to stop them all. So I suspect that the general consensus is that it is far easier and more cost effective to simply ban all snakeheads, than spend millions of dollars in resources in an attempt to only keep out one species. It’s certainly not ideal for hobbyists who keep this genus, but we only have our fellow hobbyists to blame.
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/three-arrested-for-smuggling-snakehead-fish-from-border-94621/
With this genus, the problem appears to be world-wide, with no simple solution.
I understand your concern, Bill, but don't think that using Riverfront Aquariums as your cause is going to gain you any great deal of support.
Happy Holidays!
Hello; Out of curiosity I did a search about animal rights groups and their goals. Here are some of the links to what I found. Believe it or not.
http://www.think-differently-about-sheep.com/Animal_Rights_What_Are_Animal_Rights.htm
http://speciesandclass.com/2014/09/13/animal-rights-short-and-long-term-goals/
https://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/the-ultimate-goal-no-animals-in-human-lives1#sthash.NWV395LP.dpbs
http://www.huntersagainstpeta.com/tag/12-goals-of-animal-activists
http://www.think-differently-about-sheep.com/Animal_Rights_What_Are_Animal_Rights.htm
http://speciesandclass.com/2014/09/13/animal-rights-short-and-long-term-goals/
https://www.petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/the-ultimate-goal-no-animals-in-human-lives1#sthash.NWV395LP.dpbs
http://www.huntersagainstpeta.com/tag/12-goals-of-animal-activists
