Thoughts on Fancy Goldfish

[MN_Rebel]

Again, they are NOT only domesticated animals with defects. Most of the domesticated animals cannot survived in the wild anyways but they're thriving in our care. If you're talking about the goldfish at a pet shop or at Walmart, they're neglected and sick. I've seen better fancy goldfish at home aquariums.

 

[Redearsunfish]

Again, they are NOT only domesticated animals with defects. Most of the domesticated animals cannot survived in the wild anyways but they're thriving in our care. If you're talking about the goldfish at a pet shop or at Walmart, they're neglected and sick. I've seen better fancy goldfish at home aquariums.

Like mine. I don't want to toot my own horn but, toot toot.

 

[predatorkeeper87]

Again, they are NOT only domesticated animals with defects. Most of the domesticated animals cannot survived in the wild anyways but they're thriving in our care. If you're talking about the goldfish at a pet shop or at Walmart, they're neglected and sick. I've seen better fancy goldfish at home aquariums.

As I stated I think its outrageous that ALL animals are line bred for defective traits. I could keep a dog alive that had squirrels for legs but that wouldn't change the quality to which that animal can live to its potential.

 

[Redearsunfish]

As I stated I think its outrageous that ALL animals are line bred for defective traits. I could keep a dog alive that had squirrels for legs but that wouldn't change the quality to which that animal can live to its potential.

While I wouldn't keep bubble eyes, I can't besmirch those who would breed and keep them. It's a very slippery slope - you must hate hotdog dogs then? And miniature horses and dairy cows?

I love my ranchus and my ryukins and they seem happy in their own skin.

Can breeders go to far with fish? Sure they can. But again its a delicate nuanced conversation. Avoid broad strokes and generalizations across an entire genre of fishkeeping.

 

[MN_Rebel]

As I stated I think its outrageous that ALL animals are line bred for defective traits. I could keep a dog alive that had squirrels for legs but that wouldn't change the quality to which that animal can live to its potential.

Most lapdogs outlived the big dogs. My Weiner dog lived to 16 years old and he never shows any miserable signs other than that day he lost his marbles. These animals doesn't know they're defective. Since we're talking about a man made fish being kept in a glass box, they don't have to deal with the threats from the wild and they're thriving under our care. I don't see any problems with fancy goldfish being bred for aquarium purposes. My problem is that they ended up in wrong hands (after all, goldfish is most abused fish next to bettas and Oscars).

 

[Redearsunfish]

Most lapdogs outlived the big dogs. My Weiner dog lived to 16 years old and he never shows any miserable signs other than that day he lost his marbles. These animals doesn't know they're defective. Since we're talking about a man made fish being kept in a glass box, they don't have to deal with the threats from the wild and they're thriving under our care. I don't see any problems with fancy goldfish being bred for aquarium purposes. My problem is that they ended up in wrong hands (after all, goldfish is most abused fish next to bettas and Oscars).

Does anymore need to be said? i don't think so.

 

[predatorkeeper87]

While I wouldn't keep bubble eyes, I can't besmirch those who would breed and keep them. It's a very slippery slope - you must hate hotdog dogs then? And miniature horses and dairy cows?

I love my ranchus and my ryukins and they seem happy in their own skin.

Can breeders go to far with fish? Sure they can. But again its a delicate nuanced conversation. Avoid broad strokes and generalizations across an entire genre of fishkeeping.

Most lapdogs outlived the big dogs. My Weiner dog lived to 16 years old and he never shows any miserable signs other than that day he lost his marbles. These animals doesn't know they're defective. Since we're talking about a man made fish being kept in a glass box, they don't have to deal with the threats from the wild and they're thriving under our care. I don't see any problems with fancy goldfish being bred for aquarium purposes. My problem is that they ended up in wrong hands (after all, goldfish is most abused fish next to bettas and Oscars).

Ok...you guys are confusing my disapproval of linebreeding for the traits with disapproval of the animals themselves. The animals aren't at fault and everyone, including myself, should know that. I'm stating the act of producing these animals with genetic defects, to which can and do frequently cause health and wellbeing issues, is a ridiculous trend that has been around for 1000's of years. I'm well aware the animals don't realize whats going on and live life the best they can...but those traits being bred into some species has a debilitating effect on day to day life of the animals. Them learning to cope with the deformities because they were born with them does not make it alright simply because they know nothing else in the world. That bubble eye goldfish that was posted earlier in the thread....come on...that's just plain cruel in my book.

 

[divemaster99]

I understand that if we take care of the animal well that they live a very full, healthy life. But to me that jerking like swimming pattern just looks painful and/or exhausting to the animal. Just my opinion.

 

[Redearsunfish]

I understand that if we take care of the animal well that they live a very full, healthy life. But to me that jerking like swimming pattern just looks painful and/or exhausting to the animal. Just my opinion.

Extreme or sick fish perhaps, but most fancies get along quite easily.

 

[Redearsunfish]

I understand that if we take care of the animal well that they live a very full, healthy life. But to me that jerking like swimming pattern just looks painful and/or exhausting to the animal. Just my opinion.

Perhaps it would be best to frame your original post like this - "I saw a fancy goldfish who was having a hard time swimming - i wonder if it was due to breeding or illness - thoughts?".