Thoughts on using raw fish meat as fish food?

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When a fish eats another fish in nature, it usually gets the entire fish.
Scales, bones, anything thats's the gut (which could include vegetable matter, insects, mollusks, etc). All these things provide complete nutrition.
When you simply feed the muscle (as in fish meat fillets) you are not feeding something with complete nutritional value.
Also be aware, some parasites are not killed by freezing, especially those that are found in northern climates where bodies of water freeze. Many of these parasites simply go dormant, and re-awaken when thawed, or produces an offspring that hatches when it thaws.
One that comes to my mind is ciguatera, a parasite that produces a toxin, and comes from certain reef fish, and causes disease in humans.
It can neither be cooked or frozen out.
 
When a fish eats another fish in nature, it usually gets the entire fish.
Scales, bones, anything thats's the gut (which could include vegetable matter, insects, mollusks, etc). All these things provide complete nutrition.
When you simply feed the muscle (as in fish meat fillets) you are not feeding something with complete nutritional value.
Also be aware, some parasites are not killed by freezing, especially those that are found in northern climates where bodies of water freeze. Many of these parasites simply go dormant, and re-awaken when thawed, or produces an offspring that hatches when it thaws.
One that comes to my mind is ciguatera, a parasite that produces a toxin, and comes from certain reef fish, and causes disease in humans.
It can neither be cooked or frozen out.
Theres a parasite out there that can survive temps that high? what keeps it from dying when the fish is cooked?
 
I don't know reasons why, or the type species most likely to carry the parasite, but that's one of the reasons to be careful about eating fish caught too close to a coral reef, and more preferable to eat more pelagic species.
It may be that most fish that are "over cooked" are not considered perfectly done, so the parasite may be able to withstand the short cooking time.
I do know if a person is infected, it can be a very long and unpleasant illness.
 
Some of the major ciguatera species in Hawaii are peacock grouper, great barracuda and amber jack(kahala), Although you do hear of some "hot" kole tangs and other omnivores. I had a few friends back in high school got ciguatera from giant trevally(ulua).
 
When a fish eats another fish in nature, it usually gets the entire fish.
Scales, bones, anything thats's the gut (which could include vegetable matter, insects, mollusks, etc). All these things provide complete nutrition.
When you simply feed the muscle (as in fish meat fillets) you are not feeding something with complete nutritional value.
Also be aware, some parasites are not killed by freezing, especially those that are found in northern climates where bodies of water freeze. Many of these parasites simply go dormant, and re-awaken when thawed, or produces an offspring that hatches when it thaws.
One that comes to my mind is ciguatera, a parasite that produces a toxin, and comes from certain reef fish, and causes disease in humans.
It can neither be cooked or frozen out.

Is that so! Definitely gonna keep an eye out for parasites that can withstand freezing temperatures and even cooking. Thanks for your input.

And the part about just feeding fillets not providing complete nutrition, yep, I agree, duanes. It's basically just like eating plain chicken breasts.. you're going to be missing out on the important fats, certain key essential micros, etc. Gonna also need to feed other muscles like the darker meat cuts, and definitely organ meats as well. Important macros and micros. Good stuff.
 
Wondering if one could feed predatory fishes say certain kinds of cichlids exclusively on frozen fish fillets? Thaw and cut before serving of course. or they would need a more "balanced" diet with plant matters? If those were predatory fishes wouldn't they eat mostly fishes, insects, shrimps, etc., in the wild? Frozen tilapias aren't too pricy, so just a thought.
 
You could feed fish fillet-fed cichlids to your predatory fish exclusively, but they will probably hold lower nutritional quality in them since they mainly consist of just protein, and some fats, trace vitamins, and minerals. I mean, sure, the fish fillets aren't that bad at all.. definitely a bit step up from protein flakes and pellets. You can possibly get away with just feeding fillets; but thing is, like duanes said, it's not complete. You also would want the fish belly meat, brain, eyes areas which are good sources of fats (omega 3's), and organs is a good source of vitamin a and d, etc. Your fish may not grow and live to their fullest potential if you just feed the same fillets all the time. They become malnourished. It's important to have everything covered for proper growth, development, reproduction, and repair. You know what I mean? So yeah, it depends on the different types and kinds of fish too. Some are way fattier than others, while some are quite lean depending other their diets. There needs to be a balance, just saying.

Plant matter could help address some important nutrients that are low/missing in fish fillets for sure and also gotta provide a bit more protein if the fish naturally eats a lot of smaller fish, crustaceans, etc in their native habitats. More vegetables than meat if the fish are herbivorous. Look up their natural diet.

Best to choose wild-caught fish meat if you can, by the way. Avoid fish from fish farms cause they are likely contaminated with a bunch of toxins, antibiotics, PCBs, and heavy metals unless labelled on packages stating otherwise. Even some wild caught fish are also contaminated sadly, tuna, swordfish, etc.. so do your research! You have to be cautious. WC fish is worth it in the long run, in my opinion. Better nutrition for health and longevity.

So yeah try mixing in some vegetables (go for organic, if you can) into your DIY fish food mix. Use other cuts of fish meats, organs besides fillet. Blanch vegetables (especailly if they're terrestrial) them so it's easier for fish to digest and helps remove antinutrients. Or feed fresh every now and then for the vitamin C content and enzymes. Or perhaps incorporate spirulina powder in the meat mix. Get creative.

I noticed when I feed homemade, DIY fish food to my fish, their colors pop and they become more colorful, healthier, growth is unregulated, they're more social, their activity level is off the roof, and their true behavior personalities awake. Throw in some probiotics too to help out their microbiome. Boom. You'll be even more amazed. I will no longer go back to flakes, pellets anymore haha maybe I'll throw some in on rare occasions along with freeze-dried/dehydrated foods.

All in all, when it comes down to it, provide lots of variety and many different foods when feeding your fish, toffee. Feed the cichlids a lot of different foods and they'll contain a lot more nutrition in their flesh and organs for your predatory fish. So I don't think just fish fillets is gonna cut it. Variation is the important thing. Don't just go feeding anything though! Food sources have to be whole, preferably from lakes, rivers, oceans, etc and less from land; whatever grows/lives in water or on water. Definitely should be eating diets that is similar and closely resembles their habitat diet as much as possible. :p

Hope this helps.

DIY Homemade fish food, for the win! Wooo hoo! :)

May I ask why use cichlids as a live fish food though lol. Live food action to get the predatory fish stimulated I'm assuming?? Gotta be a reason.

Have a good one.

Cheers.
 
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"growth is unregulated"

I mean upregulated lol What happened to the edit option.

Oh dang, I didn't realize I wrote such a long post. Lol Hope it benefits all of you.

Anyway looking back on your post.. yes indeed it is important to have balance. Throw in some diversity to their diets.
 
I came across this thread while researching a cheaper and more nutritious alternative to frozen blood worms (which are well over $10/lb, and mostly water). I have SA and CA cichlids. A combination of NLS Cichlid Pellets, NLS UltraRed Pellets, and NLS AlgaeMax Pellets make up the staple of their diet, I just like to give them a treat of frozen meat before as their last meal of the day.

I was thinking Tilapia, Tuna, Scallops, Shrimp and Nori (seaweed sheets used in sushi); minced, cubed and frozen. Any other suggestions, or reasons why any of these would be a bad choice? Should I ask for cuts with the skin still attached (maybe salmon? salmon too fatty?)? I considered imitation crab meat (probably better for your fish than low quality pellets, but still... not what I'm looking for).
 
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i feel all kind of fresh sea foods from salmon, tuna, halibut, eel, crab, crayfish (also live),
shrimp and etc etc. i usually go with what ever is fresh. stopped feeding tilapia as they
havent been very fresh as of late and farm conditions are getting worse but thats just me.
 
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