Two of the largest captive raised tigs I came across on MFK were 34"-36" (sold on MFK from Tampa Bay, FL or some such, a couple years back) and a 32" one raised by Taksan.
Tigrinus shovelnose tankmates
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Moe you need to stop with this goby info you are making this stuff up and you are doing it more and more. You have been giving this mixed up bad info for the last couple of years on this board. I try my best to mind biz on this board but you are constantly giving bad info about my favorite fish. Me and you know most of this info is from me any you are trying to make it sound as if you are knowledgeable when it comes to these fish.
lol I've kept three specimens myself, and have never claimed myself an expert on them. I do give info from my own experience aside from what you report and the little others have reported. I don't call you out on how you make them seem like the biggest and baddest fish despite in my experience they are far from that. Because experiences vary from tank to tank and specimen to specimen. Don't mind your business. Say what you disagree on and contribute and raise a discussion rather than trying to call someone out with no specifics. We are here to learn. You claimed your curupira was scared of its tank mates. Where as I had a wolf rip the face off a marble goby and it die a few days later. I can provide you with pictures if you still feel I am "making this stuff up". Understand your experience isn't the only one out there. That same goby bullied a erythrinus sp. peru but got bullied by a similar size gold wolf who the same erythrinus didn't allow itself to be bullied by. AFAIK you're the only one in the U.S with one above 14". Apologies to the OP if we derailed.
The goby and cat I personally can see work for years, I'd just be worried in the beginning if the goby is larger because the tig is elongated. Then I would be worried later on if the tig outgrows it by to much. My first goby i had for 2 years which grew to about 13" feeding a good amount of live because this is when I was younger and new to the hobby. The loaches, depends, you can see large ones that are more elongated than others granted they're usually wc, with these you don't want the tig try to snack on. The issues you would see are honestly years down the road most likely.
I'm not going to go back and forth as me and you both know the truth. I never need to make a goby something it isn't my female is 15 inches and she runs a 220 with a 2 foot aro and a 19 inch apure catfish. My male doesn't tolerate fish at all and had been kept with all kinds of fish including umbee and he always was able to hold his own. You put a small little goby in with a much bigger wolf and it got killed with also changed first you told me the wolf ate the goby whole wich I never believed now you say he ripped the face off. You never put that wolf with bigger more aggressive fish. My black wolf was a coward that got his but kicked by my spotted sleeper nothing to do with my marble gobys. You were all over my youtube page a couple years ago asking a thousand questions and talking about marble gobys are your favorite fish. You didn't know about these fish then and you have not raised any gobys since then now you are repeating things you have read. I watch you give info I have given about spotted sleepers and marble sleepers and you get the info confused between the two. Marble gobys are not close to being the meanest fish but they can hold their own amongst monsters like snakeheads for example. For you to suggest keeping these fish with something delicate like a tigrinis shows you have no clue what you are talking about. And I have had many clown loaches eaten by gobys. I have nothing personal against you but you give a lot of bad info on these fish.
Yes i asked one hundred and one questions years ago as there is little to read on them online no arguing there, not sure your point, I look to learn and compare my experience to others. Whatever truth you know is fine. But i don't believe we share the same truths. And she runs the 220, so me saying they can be territorial is misleading how? I am familiar with your tank and how you say the fish interact. Thank you for sharing with the OP and supporting what I said. Although arowana aren't much for aggression, and apures are more hungry than mean I'd say. Your wolf being a coward to larger fish isn't surprising, not unheard of. As far as me not keeping it with anything larger you are right, but it had many similar sized tank mates and it chose who stayed. It killed a 2" smaller wick which kept trying to fight with it and a same size pike cichlid for instance who didn't bother the wolf at all. You want pictures of that too since nothing i say seems to be credible according to you. But I'll submit to your superior knowledge and experience, you know best right? I kept all of my gobies with bichirs which I'd say can be considered more delicate temperament wise than a tig. I kept one with my current jaguar cat, no problem. jaguar cat actually pushed the larger goby around. I'm sure you have had loaches eaten by gobies. You mistake predatory aggression and territorial aggression and miss size discrepancies. Like how you said wyckii aren't bad because your goby supposedly bullied it and apure ate it. And believe me I don't confuse Eleotris picta with Oxyeleotris marmorata. As far as me saying a goby got eaten then it got its face bitten thats two different specimens. Sine you seem to not believe me ill show proof. So i had one 7-8" goby which had its face bitten. I initially thought it was done by the curupira but later concluded it had to be the 9" gold wolf because of the bite marks size, if it was cure it would've been larger, and the gold did go after the goby a few times. Here's your proof. My curu was 14-15" at this time. Years back when I first got my curu, it was supposed to be 6" but that one died in shipping due to cold weather so wes sent me a larger 8" one as long as i paid shipping. being 15 and irresponsible i went ahead and got the wolf because I wanted one after admiring them over the internet for years. I wanted a small one because of everything being small at the time aside from a common pleco, goby being the largest at 5". The wolf ate the goby and regurgitated it. Heres your proof.
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Once again you show you are not speaking from experience my apure is territorial and always pics a spot in every tank it has been in to defend as it's own not just a food aggressive fish. Yes the apure was bigger than the black wolf but the apure is much bigger than my goby the things that the apure did to my black wolf she can't do to the goby. Also my black wolf was not always with bigger fish at first it was the biggest fish in the tank and it would beat up small try to eat small fish but run from anything close to its size(same for the lac I have now) so to me that's a coward. You also show you have never had a big aro because the around fights back hard sometimes the aro and goby fight for days back and forth. I don't mistake hunger for aggressive gobys and apure cats are territorial and will defend their territory. Another thing a person like you who has not really kept the fish they are talking about would not no is gobys and apure do more damage when the lights are off. My big male does damage in the dark to the point I have had fish killed,jump or scared to death when the lights come back on. Once again you kindly left the part out the first time about the even bigger wolf that you had the little goby who most likely killed and maimed the little guy before the other wolf attempted to eat him. Me and you both know this is not how you feed me the story the first time it was the big bad wolf eating the weak goby. And you do confuse the two goby species when you are regurgitating info you recently told someone, and I quote pike can be a little smaller as their mouths aren't that big in proportion to their body this is info you gave someone the other day about spotted sleepers it's wrong not true a flat out lie spotted sleeper gobys have a larger mouth than marble gobys and a fish like a pike who is a little smaller is the kind of fish you come home to hanging out of a spotted gobys mouth
. Another quote from you comparing spotted sleepers and marble sleepers (marbled goby is a completely different species, has an appetite for bigger prey. Bigger mouth to body ration) not true at all water cow have larger mouth and go after larger prey. My 20 in male marble goby will spend all night hunting Rosie reds and swim right past larger fish he could also eat, cow are more like catfish and attempt to eat things they can't even swallow. Last the gobys aren't coming stunted from the farm they are stunted by people like you who throw them in sub standard conditions and expect a monster like you saw on the internet. I'm done with this Moe if you want to keep giving half a** info that's between you and board but I know you don't know what your talking about.
Thank you both for the informative exchange. I appreciate Sharptooth Bass speaking his mind and Moe taking it gracefully, which, I know from experience, is painful and very, very hard to do.
I believe that it must be left up to the OP to make conclusions and decisions. It's can be learned from this thread and others who has had what experience, the extent of it, and how the experiences differ. We are giving the facts and their interpretations from our experience and if we talk of someone else's experience, we must make it clear that it is not ours and provide links whenever possible for support.
Once in a while it's good too to clear the air. Perhaps it would have been better done in one of your own, Bass and Moe, goby / wolf / cow threads.
And as the Sarge C Chicxulub proposed, we better leave our egos at the door and square our swords in a constructive manner over the facts and how we see them and spare each other feelings.
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I believe that it must be left up to the OP to make conclusions and decisions. It's can be learned from this thread and others who has had what experience, the extent of it, and how the experiences differ. We are giving the facts and their interpretations from our experience and if we talk of someone else's experience, we must make it clear that it is not ours and provide links whenever possible for support.
Once in a while it's good too to clear the air. Perhaps it would have been better done in one of your own, Bass and Moe, goby / wolf / cow threads.
And as the Sarge C Chicxulub proposed, we better leave our egos at the door and square our swords in a constructive manner over the facts and how we see them and spare each other feelings.
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Keep the feelings out of it boys. Y'all did a lot better than a lot of what I see on this site with exchanging info, but there's no real room for ego here.
If I can admit that I occasionally get things wrong with my ATF, there's no problem with anyone else admitting wrong, either.
If I can admit that I occasionally get things wrong with my ATF, there's no problem with anyone else admitting wrong, either.
Sorry for the slow response I've been out of town. I would say it could theoretically kill the cat if it wedged in it's mouth and wasn't removed or from infection as a result of the puncture wound from the CL barb. That barb is pretty sizeable on a big CL easily 1/2" or bigger on a 10" CL.
You probably have a higher chance of the Tig having a go at the CL in the second scenario you mentioned with a 28" tig and an 8" CL than with the smaller size difference but still I feel like it would be relatively safe. Also generally keeping the CL in schools is always recommended and I feel like that would limit predation even further with a bunch of those guys swimming together. I would honestly think 5% chance of an attack. I've kept many smaller fish and never had the Tig attempt to eat any of them, maybe I was lucky? maybe it was because they were taller shaped fish like Severums, Prochilodus, or native sunfish species? maybe just a more passive Tig and well fed? Who knows.
Shovelnose catfish will always have the ability to eat much smaller fish due to their mouth but from experience the "smaller" species like Tig and Jur aren't nearly as aggressive as TSN. That said there was a 20ish" TSN in that same tank and it didn't mess with the CL either.
