to Many Devils?
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evilxyardxgnome;1367194; said:uhhh
He is saying that because thats what you are making it sound like.
You keep saying that this tank is impossible and keep trying to tell everyone about how it can't work and you keep asking for proof, but the proof is in the aquarium. His colony of Red Devils is getting along better than my 2 severums and oscar.
Face it, a lot of aquarium life isn't exactly the same as the wild. In fact to compare a fish's behavior in a contained glass box and in the wild is going to be quite different.
Maybe all the red devils get along because they know they don't have to compete with each other. They know there will always be enough food and "the omniscient hand" will always bear pellets or other delicious treats. Does this happen in the wild? No.
I think this man may have accidentally stumbled onto a different style of tank. Frontosa colonies no thanks, I want a big red devil colony.
Congrats on your discovery and beautiful tank.
What I said had nothing to do with a fish going around and just eating everything. And thats how he responded. What I said was that yes, maybe as juvies they may school together for protection but thats probably where the line is drawn. Most CA/SA cichlids are not schooling fish.
Yes I guess you can call an overcrowded tank, a colony. But you have failed to prove to me that in the wild RDs shoal together. An aquarium is not as accurate as someone might think to being exactly like the wild. I want articles written on RDs in the wild and accounts that they shoal. As its been stated in this thread. You can have a 300 gallon tank crammed with Oscars and there probably won't be any aggression because there isn't enough room for territories.
Yes I guess you can call an overcrowded tank, a colony. But you have failed to prove to me that in the wild RDs shoal together. An aquarium is not as accurate as someone might think to being exactly like the wild. I want articles written on RDs in the wild and accounts that they shoal. As its been stated in this thread. You can have a 300 gallon tank crammed with Oscars and there probably won't be any aggression because there isn't enough room for territories.
You are just demanding evidence that doesn't exist. I don't see studies shown that red devils aren't social fish in the wild hanging around places in their own groups. I don't see any studies that show they are. But what does it matter? That is irrelevant. What does it matter what the fish do in the wild, I am more interested in how they can live in aquaria (since you know thats where I will be keeping my Red Devils).
All thats going on is that someone found a different way to care for these fish that goes against your predetermined notions and you just can't accept it so you keep sidetracking the conversation. What he is doing is different and therefore dangerous. But his experient has paved the way for other people to try their hand at this style of aquarium.
And I have never had an overcrowded tank of oscars with no aggression, or that looked as beautiful as these RDs. In fact we lose more oscars to aggression at work than anything else (HITH, ick, etc.).
All thats going on is that someone found a different way to care for these fish that goes against your predetermined notions and you just can't accept it so you keep sidetracking the conversation. What he is doing is different and therefore dangerous. But his experient has paved the way for other people to try their hand at this style of aquarium.
And I have never had an overcrowded tank of oscars with no aggression, or that looked as beautiful as these RDs. In fact we lose more oscars to aggression at work than anything else (HITH, ick, etc.).
PoopSmart;1368849; said:
PoopSmart;1367720; said:
He didn't discover shibby... Toerag had been keeping a similar tank years ago.. Which I have nothing against this tank at all personally, just want to point out it's been done before. It's nothing "new". It was an experiment to him, but not to numerous others.PoopSmart I think you should go back and re-read some of this thread. Evil "I think" is questioning their habits in the wild and whether they live in similar groups like someone tried to prove. Sure you can put a bunch of fish in an aquarium and they'll group together because of space but give them unlimited space and do they still group together?
Seeing as I just read through 11 pages of this thread, I have to chime in. If you're going to argue that this tank is wrong because it does not match personality/behavioral/whateverthehell-al habits in the wild, then you should be arguing against anyone on these forums keeping fish AT ALL. People keep fish because they like the fish. Most of the time they can manipulate these fish to be whatever they want, whether it be aggressive, docile, solitary, whatever. You can't possibly have a proper sized tank to recreate the natural habitat of any fish. If a fish is getting harassed in the wild it swims away. If a fish is getting harassed in a tank it swims until it hits glass. You can have your opinions, but think deeper about what your disagreeing with before you start reeming people for their personal likings. 
pdbrady;1369060; said:Seeing as I just read through 11 pages of this thread, I have to chime in. If you're going to argue that this tank is wrong because it does not match personality/behavioral/whateverthehell-al habits in the wild, then you should be arguing against anyone on these forums keeping fish AT ALL. People keep fish because they like the fish. Most of the time they can manipulate these fish to be whatever they want, whether it be aggressive, docile, solitary, whatever. You can't possibly have a proper sized tank to recreate the natural habitat of any fish. If a fish is getting harassed in the wild it swims away. If a fish is getting harassed in a tank it swims until it hits glass. You can have your opinions, but think deeper about what your disagreeing with before you start reeming people for their personal likings.
He doesn't want to know what the fish does in the wild, he wants to know if these RD's are working in his tank, and I just wanted to say yeah they are. Thats why I provided some pictures from a pretty prestigious public aquarium that proved they would. I am not trying to "voice my opinion" like you stated evilyardgnome, instead I am trying to prove with facts that his tank is probably doing alright.
Ugh Yes it works, fine it works. Thats not what I am saying. Yes you can have a 300 gallon tank with 15 oscars, with proper filtration it could work. Fine, if thats what you want to do, great. There are quite a few aquariumists out there that like to recreate their habitat in their tank. Thats fine too. You can overcrowd cichlids to keep the aggression down, thats fine. But don't tell me that they school in the wild and thats why they work.
You provided a picture from the shedd, yes they keep a ton of Red Devil in BIG tank, thats why that works. His tank isn't nearly big enough to house all those Red Devils for life. Right now it works, but when they are fully grown...thats another story.
You provided a picture from the shedd, yes they keep a ton of Red Devil in BIG tank, thats why that works. His tank isn't nearly big enough to house all those Red Devils for life. Right now it works, but when they are fully grown...thats another story.
