Tortoise and UVB

[DeLgAdO]

He based his rationale on monitors, and probably snakes and crocodilians as well...

monitors, snakes and crocodilians dont require sunlight to produce vitamin D3 because they get it from the livers of there prey, that is why they dont need sunlight for vitamin D3. he is correct to an extent.

most of the reptiles we keep are either eat insects or plant matter, and neither of those food sources provide an adaquate source of D3.

 

[TheBloodyIrish]

monitors, snakes and crocodilians dont require sunlight to produce vitamin D3 because they get it from the livers of there prey, that is why they dont need sunlight for vitamin D3. he is correct to an extent.

I know that.

 

[loconorc]

Who said you had to follow them to the T? EVERY keeper, good and bad, keeps their herps a different way. People with no or bad results should be be emulated in any way shape or form. People with true SUCCUSSS and real EXPERIENCE (both things many people think they have when really they havent accomplished anything) should be learned from and taken into account when applied to husbandry. Its all about the APPLICATION. You can learn this and that from books and caresheets, but its TRUE knowledge and application that comes through in the end and divides the leaders from the followers. Yes, all reptiles are different. But some common things are universal, one of which we are discussing here. Now, if we were discussing tank size or whatnot, it would vary between opinions of various turtle keepers. Piont is, learn from the pioneers, dont copy them. Its no fun that way anyway, and thats what the herp hobby is about (hmmm isnt another common hobby we all share on this site the same way?)

Now its not that UV and tuna hurt, all I'm saying is this guy is wasting his money and time for something that MIGHT ultimately hurt his animal, directly due to UV or not.

By the way Irish, you keep mantids? What species? We have a carolina at the nature center I volunteer at, hes quite a character.

 

[loconorc]

Deglado or whatever is name is is correct. But D3 and heat are different things used for different body processes. Apperently some of you (not pointing fingers) think you know everything about UVB, so you must know about D3. *rolls eyes* Heat on the other hand, is slightly more important, and is responsible for metabolism. Every herp requires a range of temps. For example, Frank Retes. He keeps his monitors in cages with a range of temps from 60 in the burrows, to 140 in basking areas, and everything in between. AGAIN, this is universal among herps (the principle, not the numbers). The animals know what temp they need for what task and when they need it, and will use it as such. When they are full, they bask then go about their business. When empty, they stay generally cooler as to sonserve enegery till the next feeding. You get it, right? This is more important in the short term than an endless UVB debate. MBD comes about after a long-term disorder, heat or lack of it can kill a herp much faster.

 

[vicedretard]

ok lets tone this down no need to get bent out of shape over thise...obviously mud turtle dont need it as much seeing as they are not basking turtles, just like musk. how ever they do need uv to produce D3/calcium. therefore most would conclude that either a uv light or frquent time outside will better the chances of your turt not getting a D3 defiency. thats all there is to it... this is going on way to long and people need not argue over it and bring this pioneer does it that way and this one does it this way...in all honesty they probably have just found ways wheter keeping the herps outside in natural sun or whatever other way to supplemnt the D3 production some how wether through diet, uv , or what ever the fact is that most herps need uv to get d3/calc

 

[loconorc]

Problem is, no matter who says it, it can never be said 'thats all there is to it'. Even if one is right in saying it, its not going to stop. He can decide for himself if his turtle needs UV, thats his problem.

I still don't know why he kept the thing.

 

[DeLgAdO]

I know that.

for those who dont now they do

 

[DeLgAdO]

I know that.

for those who dont now they do

 

[Vicious_Fish]

I'd like to speak to this vicious_fish. Anyone who wastes money on tuna sounds fishy (pun intended). All you need is a quality turtle pellet, and the occasional earthworm or feeder fish treat if you so desire. It probably wont hurt your turtle, but why waste money on it? Again, more variables means more chances for something to go wrong.

I say this a lot: KISS! Keep It Simple Stupid! (stupid is not pointing at you, its just a phrase)

Hi, here I am. Sorry, I was away at a wedding all weekend so I missed out on all the fun.

There was just too much stuff going on for me to read this whole thread. Loco, thank God your here to help all us "idiots" who know nothing about reptiles because we post on a fish site. You obviously seem to know just about just everything there is to know when it comes to keeping herps. Tell me, what is your exact specialty when it comes to keeping herps?

To answer you, I have been keeping and breeding turtles and lizards for about 20 years now. I’m more of a reptile guy then a fish guy. I do believe I know a thing or two, but thats just me! Oh yeah, I don't know how poor you are, but a can of tuna fish is not really that expensive!

 

[loconorc]

I can't tell if thats insulting sarcasm or a serious inquiry. I really cant tell, I apologize. I'll have to respond in the morning! UBER BUSY man you have no idea.

Tomorrow in free all the way, so I can goof off all I want. PM me if you like and see the other reptile threads i rsponded in. You can see me at varanus.net under this same name.

Later!