Tough being a 1st Generation MFK

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NCStateFisher;4729218; said:
the fact they let you get a 600 is insanity in the first place. haha

That's kind of a funny story. I originally had a 5x3 pond, but with some things getting moved the pond also had to be moved, so I just decided to make a much larger one while they were on vacation. When they saw it all they were really able to say was that it is big.

I remembered another thing my family doesn't get. No matter how many times I try to explain temperature ranges for my fish, they always ask if I'm going to put my tropicals outside in the pond.
 
Im a first generation MFKer too (my dad had a 30 gallon tank when he was a kid but that's it) But my parents are great when it comes to things like water changes and all that. My dad understands that big fish take big dumps and need LOTS of water changes and filtration. He understands the gist of the nitrogen cycle, probably enough that if he ever started up his own tank he'd ask me for some used filter media.
My mom isn't really into it at all but dosen't hate it either and is overall pretty indifferent to it.


Im lucky i have parents that don't really care how much water i use (within reason) and im lucky they don't complain when it's 3am and im tinkering with the wet/dry so it dosen't lead to any water on the floor.
 
Spiritofthesoul;4727910; said:
Being a 1st generation MFK is tough. My dad owns a 30 gallon aquarium and didn't know a thing about the nitrogen cycle. He also did not understand the purpose of filtration and did not plan on getting one. Fortunatey I have a spare canister filter and offered to set it up for him claiming it would keep the water clean, which is kind of true. He didn't know what bioballs and ceramic rings are used for so I just told him they trap out the debris in the tank. Nevertheless, he did agree for me to install the canister (bless the fishes). He scolded me for buying Seachem matrix, asking me why I was buying stones at such prices when he has so much in his flowerpots.

He also do not research on the fish he is keeping. He keeps a bunch of clown loaches, a black ghost knife fish and a common pleco. All of them are juveniles now but I know they won't be able to live in his 20 gallon for life. I advised him and he said they won't grow until there isn't space left for them to swim in. I quietly thought to myself "Of course they won't grow, they would already be dead." But nonetheless, i gave up trying to get him to exchange them for smaller fishes.

My mum and dad also didn't see the point of doing water change. To them as long as the water looks clear, there isn't a requirement for water changes. My dad did a waterchange like once every 2 month, and when he does, its a 100% waterchange. He also rinsed the gravel in boiling water to kill of any bacteria (beneficial bacteria) in the tank. I had to secretly do waterchanges for him when he is out at work and pour a cup of gravel from my tank into his each time he cleans the gravel to seed it, hopefully speeding up the cycle.

My mum's been complaining about my frequent water changes too, saying I got an expensive filter, an FX5, so why bother changing the water. She obviously did not know about ammonia, nitrites and nitrates and didn't look like she was interested so i promised her to change my water once a month. But i still changed it every week when she was working and skipped a day or two on bathing every week to ensures the water bill do not rise or she would get suspicious and start complaining again.

I wonder if any of you are 1st generation MFK keepers and experience similar problems as mine. I know that the majority of you have parents who are into fish keeping and do not have the problem I have. I hope in the future, to bring the hobby of fish keeping to my children and understand everything they do so that the whole family could truly enjoy fish keeping. The purpose of this thread is not to rant on my parents but to share my experience of being the first person in the family who really knows about fish keeping. I know that they ain't really into fishkeeping and I can't really blame them for not knowing something they don't care. It may be a tough road ahead of me, but i hope to get a 400 gallon when i move out.

Hello! fellow singaporean. I used lived there since i was born and recently moved to los angeles about 9 month ago. I understand your frustration. I also can tok singlish lol. I used to have the same problem, i kept a turtle and my mom is like ,"aiya small container can already la". (you know how singapore turtle is seriously mistreated) I researched alot about my turtle when she was 2 years old. She lived 2 year without filter, lights and deep water. So i started getting these things for them. She didnt let my get them, but i did. I said my friend gave me and stuff. So she let me keep it. After witnessing how efficient they are keeping my turtle healthy and tank clean, after i moved to the United States they let me get a Fluval 405 canister filter with a 55 gallon tank. Whenever they say like that can already la, you explain to them your theory in singapore language and just keep saying it whenever they say something wrong about fishes. They will eventually take it in. Do not give up. I pity fishes that were taken care by the ignorant singaporean, I am trying to change that from our generation. You should too.
 
Zander_The_RBP;4729373; said:
Im a first generation MFKer too (my dad had a 30 gallon tank when he was a kid but that's it) But my parents are great when it comes to things like water changes and all that. My dad understands that big fish take big dumps and need LOTS of water changes and filtration. He understands the gist of the nitrogen cycle, probably enough that if he ever started up his own tank he'd ask me for some used filter media.
My mom isn't really into it at all but dosen't hate it either and is overall pretty indifferent to it.


Im lucky i have parents that don't really care how much water i use (within reason) and im lucky they don't complain when it's 3am and im tinkering with the wet/dry so it dosen't lead to any water on the floor.

My mom is the same way. She might not remember words such as "ammonia" and "nitrates," but she knows enough that she can tell you that there are bacteria in the tanks which eat certain chemicals, and that water changes are necessary, etc.

However, the reason I don't get an earful, even when I do large water changes, is that we don't pay for our water.
 
zenyoungkoh;4729400; said:
Hello! fellow singaporean. I used lived there since i was born and recently moved to los angeles about 9 month ago. I understand your frustration. I also can tok singlish lol. I used to have the same problem, i kept a turtle and my mom is like ,"aiya small container can already la". (you know how singapore turtle is seriously mistreated) I researched alot about my turtle when she was 2 years old. She lived 2 year without filter, lights and deep water. So i started getting these things for them. She didnt let my get them, but i did. I said my friend gave me and stuff. So she let me keep it. After witnessing how efficient they are keeping my turtle healthy and tank clean, after i moved to the United States they let me get a Fluval 405 canister filter with a 55 gallon tank. Whenever they say like that can already la, you explain to them your theory in singapore language and just keep saying it whenever they say something wrong about fishes. They will eventually take it in. Do not give up. I pity fishes that were taken care by the ignorant singaporean, I am trying to change that from our generation. You should too.

Haha bro, always glad to hear from some local folks. Too bad you moved to LA :(. Yah I have to agree, most singaporean mistreat their tortoise by thinking filtration isn't required. I think the problem is fish keeping isn't that popular in singapore. Few seminars/showcases about fish were held here. People still think keeping fish was just putting it in water, add an airstone and feed it everyday. :(
 
i'm so glad to know that there are others like me out there. My parents were not very supportive of my hobby when i first started, but lately have been just accepting it ( i admit that i have been forced to do a water change practically once or twice a month and only when they are out of the house) and i try not to go near the tanks when they're home because in their eyes, i should be always studying, but i get by. I'm just glad i have a nice n. multifasciatus tank in my room otherwise i'm sure i'd go crazy. first gen's tough, no doubt, but what scares me the most is if later one, my kids find no interest in fishkeeping. that is what scares me the most. I'm not sure whether to introduce it to them at a young age or play it sneaky and be conservative so that when they grow older they want to learn more. any 2nd gens want to comment on this?
 
1st gen mfk too. I pay for everything so my parents don't complain.....
 
some fishes don't really need filtration though, such as the bettas i used to keep, of course filtration would be better but they lived pretty long and MISERABLE w/out it....
 
I used to keep my betta in a 5 gallon tank with a canister filter. :)
 
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