I'm not saying you did it for fame or any other reason, you seem so defensive..I have already shown you one example, MY fish. Did you view that fish, its condition, and how it is still parasite free 2 yrs later?
Yes i seen the pictures, your fish looks healthy.. Does this mean you killed 100% of the flagellates, or did your fish purge most and the rest died off due to other factors, that could include the fishes immune system, water changes, temperature..
See what i'm getting at?
I have also mentioned, more than once now, how several other MFK members have had the same results as I did, not just on flowerhorn, but other cichlids as well.
I will be looking into this more
You ask for information, yet when I supply that information you choose to ignore it,
I have not ignored you at all, quite the opposite, as i have been closely reading what you have posted, including all links, and any further information i can find
asking for in-depth scientific studies that as far as I know do not exist, or at the least are unpublished studies - which is quite common in the scientific world. Not all research ends up in a peer reviewed journal, and even some that does cannot be found via a google search.
I understand this, i just thought you may have had more information, as the information this thread suggests is in the links on the original post, have no reference to killing hex..
Did you read the paper by the The Israeli Journal of Aquaculture, linked to in the first post, where they stated;
I read everything, and still i dont see where it kills hex..
only that mortality ceased, with 3% feeds, which could have been daily, weekly? for all we know, and would of course stop the fish from dying as it would purge the hex and keep levels low enough for the fish to grow..
Where do you think those researchers got the idea of using magnesium sulfate? Do you think that they just pulled that idea out of their arse one day while soaking their feet in a warm tub of epsom salt?
Epsom salts have been used a long time, and will purge the stomach just by adding it to the water they swim in, of course dosing it orally is the next step, and of course different strengths
What about Dr. Edward J. Noga, MS, DVM, a highly respected professor of aquatic medicine and immunology, who has been published approx. 150 times in related papers/journals. His lab at NC State University specializes in the study of infectious diseases of finfish and shellfish ........... this is what he specializes in.
In his book; Fish Disease: diagnosis and treatment, Dr. Noga also mentions treating hexamita (spironucleus) orally with Magnesium sulphate.
Do you reckon that this idea just came to Dr. Noga in a dream late one night - so he published that information in his book on fish disease & treatment? A book that some of the most advanced aquarists in the world refer to, along with veterinarians, fisheries biologists, and commercial aquaculturists?
This isn't some little paperback put out by Tetrapress - it's one of THE most in-depth books on this subject that one can find in the world, and is even used by universities when teaching courses or having lectures on this subject. http://conference.ifas.ufl.edu/ame/wwf/index.html
Do you really need to get so wound up when i'm just asking for help?
I havn't read the book, but this is the kind of info i'm asking for, as i havn't seen ANYTHING that says this treatment KILLS hex..
The more info the better..
This information was known within certain scientific circles over 15 years ago, but apparently was never openly shared with the average hobbyist.
Take a closer look at your last quote;
Further information is needed exactly why i am asking if you had further information, as these studies dont show anything.. ........... apparently at least by some people. I have no idea exactly how magnesium sulfate works, I just know that it does work, and works well.
I know it works well, this is why i stated that i use it, but always in combination with metro..
Epsom is known to clear the system enough that the fish can be relieved a certain amount, can eat again, and can be treated properly..
Dosing orally would be a stronger attack obviously, but from the studies you show above, it still shows the same results...
I started this thread to bring this information to the general public.
Thankyou, I find it very interesting, hence i have started discussion with you and asked questions..
What anyone does with it is up to them. Personally I don't need someone in a white lab coat to tell me what the results were with the fish that I treated. That fish was knocking on heavens door when it reached me, and within 5 days of this treatment it was like a new fish. Unfortunately Chris had to shorten this thread, so many of the comments by people who have posted in it can no longer be read. There are also other threads on this subject, where the same success stories have been posted by other MFK members who prior to this treatment thought that there fish was a certain goner.
I didn't start this topic because I was looking for fame or fortune, I did so in the hopes of saving some fish from a disease that CAN be treated, and IMO & IME a treatment that in many cases is far more effective than metro, a drug that I was using to treat fish when a lot of the people on this forum were probably still in diapers.
You want facts, those are the facts.
All i was doing was asking where you got the info, and if i had missed something because there is no info saying it KILLS hex..
Apart from you showing me pics of your sick fish, then when it is healthy, which to me proves only that your fish lived..
No offence, but there could be many factors involved here..
I don't want to keep upsetting you, although i'm not sure what i done wrong in the first place....
I will try this method and see what the results are myself if i ever encounter a problem with hex again and see what the results are myself..
From my experience, and what i have seen by others treatments; treatment with epsom only ended up with the fish being infected again only weeks later, also if treated with metro and epsom combined but not done properly it can end in the same way..
But this may be due to less flagellates being expelled when bathed only, instead of oral feeding.
And possibly partially due to the fact that some fish just don't fight off disease as well as others..
Sorry to have bothered you, but just like you i like to know what i can do to help my fish when needed, and would love safer alternatives..