They will be with Africa cichlids. I think they can hold there own.
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Their quoted at 5 inches but they have a large neck, I have them in each of my discus tanks and they do not take fish, including the ottos that are stuck on the glass or even my amano shrimp but then I hand feed my turtles to ensure they are well fed. In regards to basking lamps there is some argument whether they are necessary but I have turnt mine off as most of mine don't even come out the water
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