U.S.F.W. proposes bill to prohibit all members of Python, Boa & Eunectes genera

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jdryden;1484646; said:
You obviously have never seen the likes of hunters from my neck of the woods. I live in the midwest. Grew up in redneck country. A hunting license doesnt mean anything. Anyone can pass it and roam the woods "hunting". Accidents are common throughout the country. As far as licensing snakes. I'd prefer they not do it, but it would probably be the closest they would come to a compromise. Licensing and permits don't stop people from doing things they want to do.
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Thats why I said it would make SOME animals live's better.

How many mothers wouldn't buy their kids Nemo's with goldfish bowls if they had to take a test ?


I saw a kid that was 13 years old buy a baby ball Python for $40, on sale from a store I go to... You really think his mother said that was ok ? I bet its living in his closet or under his bed or something.

Also, no pets to minors, without parental consent, and understanding of said animal. :D
 
Rakie;1484665; said:
Thats why I said it would make SOME animals live's better.

How many mothers wouldn't buy their kids Nemo's with goldfish bowls if they had to take a test ?


I saw a kid that was 13 years old buy a baby ball Python for $40, on sale from a store I go to... You really think his mother said that was ok ? I bet its living in his closet or under his bed or something.

Also, no pets to minors, without parental consent, and understanding of said animal. :D
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The part about no pets to minors without parental consent I totally agree with. I imagine that most stores probably have this policy. I know that the petco/petsmarts locally require you to sign paperwork to cover themselves and you would assume that it requires an adult signature. (Don't remember if it did, but we had to even sign one buying hermit crabs.)
 
This is just going to be one BIG JOKE... the fish and wildlife agency got too many free time on their hand.

ITs not gonna happen.. at least not federal ban on these animals :o

The public outcry is GONNA be HUGE.. ;)
 
I don't think they should be banned, but I think Extreme measures should be taken. Not just with Constrictors, but all snakes. First and foremost Pet shops need to be governed and not allowed to sell to just anyone who walks in and throws down money. There is a pet shop in South Carolina that sells Exotic reptiles. Last time I visited family we went there to browse around and he had Caimen, Anacondas, 4 different species of Cobra including an 8' King Cobra. He claims to only sell to people with permits, but who knows. Problem is people are buying these animals simply to say I have one. What the hell is anyone going to do with a full grown Anaconda. The county I live in just passed a law that says you have to have a permit for snakes now. It's not the gov't being an ***. It is the careless hobbyist who release them in the wild.
 
N-E Cichlids;1484963; said:
I don't think they should be banned, but I think Extreme measures should be taken. Not just with Constrictors, but all snakes. First and foremost Pet shops need to be governed and not allowed to sell to just anyone who walks in and throws down money. There is a pet shop in South Carolina that sells Exotic reptiles. Last time I visited family we went there to browse around and he had Caimen, Anacondas, 4 different species of Cobra including an 8' King Cobra. He claims to only sell to people with permits, but who knows. Problem is people are buying these animals simply to say I have one. What the hell is anyone going to do with a full grown Anaconda. The county I live in just passed a law that says you have to have a permit for snakes now. It's not the gov't being an ***. It is the careless hobbyist who release them in the wild.
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:iagree:

They should do that in Canada too, its just so easy to obtain any illegal / legal / exotic animale here x.x

You named it, you got the money, its urs
 
It is as Nick said, it all goes back to careless hobbyist who think it is OK to release the animals that they no longer can or want to care for. Just like snakeheads and others.
If you don't want government involved then be responsible about your native environment. If you can't or don't want and animal ( Fish, Reptile or whatever) Find a
home for it. Or don't get it at all. The biggest problem with band wagon hobbyist is they aren't committed to the long care of their chosen pet.
 
Sometimes people move from state to state. If transporting across state boarders is no longer allowed... then wouldn't that possibly invite dumping of a restricted species under certain circumstances? Like before a move, especially if it's sudden and or hard to find appropriate buyers/homes, or the animal has a low resale value, or even if it's just a stressful move and all a persons time and energy is focused on something like packing.

I don't see this actually helping much of anything, and honestly it scares me. At least now in my life I personally prefer not owning an anaconda, burm, or african rock. I can understand some restriction on those species. But not all species of python & boa! Then who's to say where something like this would lead. Lots of ignorant people would look at a corn or even a garter snake and think it was a boa or python. Don't laugh too hard, those same people are probably the ones that would be for something like this, or enforcing these new laws. So someone might easily interpret it as all snakes. And once snakes are out of the picture, why not more of the creepy crawlers like all reptiles, amphibians, and inverts? Then move on to aquatics and small mammals. Some animal rights groups sicken me. Please don't misunderstand my point of view, animals (including fish) should have rights. And some well thought out & properly written laws could really be beneficial, as in protection from mistreatment. But a lot of these groups seem to think that only cats and dogs should be kept as pets, and a few other strange things I wont get into.

This sharply brings to mind a fish keeper I was shocked to meet. He had lived in Ca in the past and we were talking about his piranha. He was telling me that they were rather boring and skiddish. I asked "Aren't they illegal in Ca?" He replied "That's half the fun!" That type of thinking is part of the problem. Another shocking thing I remember recently was a woman and her son (10 approx. years old) that were buying some cat toys at a local shop. The mother noticed some tadpoles near the register turned to her son and said "Oh look, wouldn't they be fun to raise up and release back into the wild!" I had to keep my jaw from dropping and looked expectantly at the pet-store owner that was ringing her up. Waiting for him to say something about how that would be dangerous for the wildlife or even that it's illegal! He mumbled "Oh they're a bit much for something like that." Unfortunately I was a bit too doubly shocked to correct them. I remember her self satisfied lofty look and really wish I had. These types of attitudes are part of the problem.

I could much more easily understand restricting the importation from other countries of certain species. Like anacondas, Burmese pythons, and green iguanas or a species that regularly reaches an adult size of over a certain number of feet. Possibly the banning of selling certain species at pet-stores with hefty fines to the stores.
I can not understand punishing responsible keepers and breeders. Sounds more like we need a public awareness campaign, but with honest information. I saw something online not too long ago that was a horror of misinformation from I think the spca. A blanket ban on all boas & pythons is ridiculous.

If it's a problem with just certain states having alien species out competing native species. Then do these states even have those species on any sort of restriction list? Or public awareness anything telling of the dangers of releasing captive animals back into the wild? I say start at the pet shops. In my opinion responsible keepers are much more likely to research an animal and buy from a reputable breeder. Ignorant keepers are more likely going to make an impulse buy at a pet-store without any research or possibly even a place to keep an animal beforehand. Especially if the store has some poorly thought out or misleading care sheet. Breeders would be (opinion again) more likely to have accurate information & possibly care a bit more about how an animal would be cared for.

P.S. I really enjoyed some of the comments on the link provided. Some good points. Sounds to me like FL mainly has these problems. Would it be logical to just have the problematic species sold in pet-stores in FL to be restricted? And not ridiculously blanket all boas and pythons in the U.S.? Don't we as a nation have bigger problems that need attention.
 
If this was my country...

1) It may annoy a few people but if you are licencing the big 5, then hey... fine... as long as it is of NO cost to the person, unlike venomous which could cost a lot to get a licence, depending on where you live.

2) If there is proof of non-native fauna upsetting the balance in your area... then there's nothing you can do about that, if they choose to ban it or licence them, you can't say it's that unfair. However an entire US ban I think doesn't cover this in the slightest... sure there must be problems with some warmer states, but not with others.

That's why the whole thing is something you don't want to happen, and you should be aiming for much less than what they are proposing.
 
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