UFC 108 - Evans vs. Silva

[hamato_yoshii]

why would you not want to see them fight to see who is the best? It's only one weight class. I don't understand that mentality.

I just don't really think it is an accurate portrayal of who is the best. There are rules in mma, and now they have to be adhered to. We can't just say, "I like the rules now (like no eye gouging, groin strikes, or even weight classes), but for this fight, let's pretend they don't exist and see who's the best" You aren't going to see who's the best because you are tainting the water first.

Of course, I'm a bigger fan of vale tudo rules and less weight classes like in the old days. I too think the same about where he's at with his size, but that makes it all the more easy for him to gain 10 pounds and be fine. I'm sure silva could lose a little weight so it could be at a catchweight.

It's much more than 10 pounds though. GSP fights at 170, but one of the things that he is good at, is packing muscle in after weigh in. He can normally walk in at 185ish, where his opponents most of the time can't match that. That weight combined with his speed makes him very, very good. So, he outweighs his opponents by 10 or 15 pounds, and he is still quick. Say he goes to 185. Now, for it to be equal, he would need to weigh close to 200lbs! And keep his quickness. You could try to make a catchweight, but I just don't think it really works out in the end. Silva would just have a far greater advantage.

I think GSP would take him down and dispose of him pretty quickly. Even if it's not totally "fair", who cares? It's not like it has to be for a belt or something or you're jeapordizing a perfect record.

I care. Maybe thats dumb, but I do. I want this sport to get better, and to keep on growing. Having guys who are great in multiple divisions is good for the sport. Just because they are dominant doesn't mean we have to make sure they get thrown in with another dominant guy just to see who is supposedly better. You can have a really great college football team that thrashes everyone, and that doesn't mean you should set up a game with the Green Bay Packers to see who could win.
Also, I think it would be for a belt, unless it was at a catchweight, but I doubt it would be.

 

[sevendreamz]

why would you not want to see them fight to see who is the best? It's only one weight class. I don't understand that mentality. Of course, I'm a bigger fan of vale tudo rules and less weight classes like in the old days. I too think the same about where he's at with his size, but that makes it all the more easy for him to gain 10 pounds and be fine. I'm sure silva could lose a little weight so it could be at a catchweight. I think GSP would take him down and dispose of him pretty quickly. Even if it's not totally "fair", who cares? It's not like it has to be for a belt or something or you're jeapordizing a perfect record.

You really think GSP would take Anderson down and dispose of him quicky....Now dont get me wrong both guys are great fighters and can finish fights standing or on the ground, but GSP disposing of Silva quickly on the ground is far fetched. I would much more belive in a knockout b/c anyone can get caught once wit the right punch and its lights out. As far as submissions Silva is to damn good on the ground to get disposed of quickly...jus my opinion....

 

[SumoNinja]

Gomo?

I thought Rampage said he wasn't going to fight again? IMO, he shouldn't so he doesn't have to fight Rashad, LOL. I really don't want to see him lose the rashad cuz I fear that will happen. He definitely has the tools to beat Rashad and won't get taken down like Thiago was. No really, I want to see Rampage fight again as he's one of my favorite fighters.

I frickin' hate Rashad. Could argue the last round 10-8 for Thiago for a 28-28 draw, but I mean you can get taken down that much. I don't get how you can get to this level where the sport is at now have better takedown defense.

Dos Santos is awesome! (as if we didn't already know that )

Gomi may fight Kenny Florian. Kenny has already expressed his interest in that fight but nothing is signed yet. I'm a huge Gomi fan and always will be but I think he is passed his prime unless he gets enlightened and does what BJ did. Gomi really needs to change his training routine and work on cardio and strength and conditioning. His cardio is his biggest flaw. Stand up goes to Gomi, but Kenny will surely mix it up with take downs and ground work when he finds that he can't stand and bang with Gomi.

Rampage is coming back, him and Rashad will fight maybe May is what they are shooting for. If Thiago hadn't gassed, he would've finished him. He stated that he was too tired from the wrestling and couldn't go for the finish when he had him hurt

I thought this card turned out pretty well.

Rashad did a good job I thought. Thiago is supposed to have great BJJ, and Rashad said before the fight he was gonna use his wrestling more, and he just went out and did it. In the third, Rashad started to get gassed and his movement slowed down where Thiago could start to tag him, but if Silva did less "clowning" and more punching, he probably would have finished him.

Dos Santos is a beast. I am a huge Cain honk as most of you know, and I have said that Cain can and will beat Brock, but I will say that Dos Santos might be 1A in this heavyweight division, if not the best.

Daley is pretty scary. I thought Hazelett was looking really good, until he was looking really bad, on the ground. Daley has lots of power, and would look good across from Fitch or Kos. I still think Hazelett can be good though.

Daley will lose to Fitch or Kos because he has no ground game. He would have to catch them with an early knock out. I don't know how good Daley's gas tank is but he's weak on the ground. They would easily dispatch him on the ground unless they choose to stand too long with him like Hazelett did. I wish he wouldn't have waited so long to take it to the ground but props to Daley for capitolizing.

I hope we don't.

It just isn't a fair fight for GSP just to add that weight. Part of what makes him great is how much he can pack into 170, and with his frame. Just adding 15 pounds doesn't really make it even, unless he can add about 5inches in height and increase his reach.

why would you not want to see them fight to see who is the best? It's only one weight class. I don't understand that mentality. Of course, I'm a bigger fan of vale tudo rules and less weight classes like in the old days. I too think the same about where he's at with his size, but that makes it all the more easy for him to gain 10 pounds and be fine. I'm sure silva could lose a little weight so it could be at a catchweight. I think GSP would take him down and dispose of him pretty quickly. Even if it's not totally "fair", who cares? It's not like it has to be for a belt or something or you're jeapordizing a perfect record.

GSP walks around about 180-190 so he wouldn't be gaining any weight really. he cuts weight to make 170. And if I was GSP, after Dan Hardy and maybe 1 or 2 more fights, I'd consider that division cleaned out. Only thing left to do would be to move up to 185 if he wants to work on his legacy. He won't fight Marquart because they are training partners and he'd do well against a lot of the 185ers but Anderson would be too much for him. But we may never see that fight because by then Anderson may have already be retired

and to say GSP would easily dispatch A Silva on the ground is ludacrous

 

[hamato_yoshii]

GSP walks around about 180-190 so he wouldn't be gaining any weight really. he cuts weight to make 170.

That is still missing the point though. He walks around at that weight, cuts to 170, then puts it back on, and has an advantage because of his training. That will be completely gone with Silva because he will have a huge weight advantage, not to mention the reach. It sounds cool, but it just doesn't work in real life. They may do it anyway, and I will certainly be watching, but I don't think it is really 100% of these guys going at it.

 

[SumoNinja]

That is still missing the point though. He walks around at that weight, cuts to 170, then puts it back on, and has an advantage because of his training. That will be completely gone with Silva because he will have a huge weight advantage, not to mention the reach. It sounds cool, but it just doesn't work in real life. They may do it anyway, and I will certainly be watching, but I don't think it is really 100% of these guys going at it.

they don't hydrate that much over night. but either way, like i said, if you clean out a division, what's left for you to do is move up in weight and try a run at that belt. that's if you want to go above and beyond to try to build your legacy. that's why Anderson is going back and forth to 205. if not the nate rematch, there really isn't anything there for him esp since dan left. there's maia but he got knocked off. and who wants to see sonnen fight silva?