**UFC 110 - Nogueira vs. Velasquez

[geeah]

so whos next for Wandy???

and do you think there is actually somebody who can take out Anderson Silva?? who do you think.

I'm fairly new to MMA so still trying to learn everything.

 

[SumoNinja]

While I agree that the 10 point system may not be the best, it is what is currently being used, so we have to go by that.

I think that in modern mma, too much emphasis is put on the standup game. Guys get stood up from the ground if they aren't active, but nobody ever gets put on the ground if they are just circling on their feet. Takedowns are an important part of the game, and it is a way to score points, and it is also inherently what mixed martial arts is. If a guy is a great wrestler, and a average puncher, and a average BJJ guy, he is going to use his skills to try and win a fight. Those skills are going to be taking guys down, and roughing them up on the ground. Why should he be forced to try and trade punches with a guy whose strength is punching? Should that guy be forced to go to the ground and out-wrestle the other guy?

The way I see it, there are different areas of a mma fight, punching, clinch game, takedowns, ground game, damage shots (kick or punch), kicks, and so on. Not every fight showcases all of these, but most will have a little of some, and lots of others. When a fight goes to a decision, ultimately, I think the score should show who has won the most areas, because obviously no one was good enough to end the fight in one of those areas.
In this fight, I thought Bisping won more areas than Wandy. He was better in the stand-up, and he scored numerous takedowns, and he also (for the most part) shut down what Wandy's approach is (going nuts on his feet and looking for KO's), and made his opponent fight his fight.

BTW, I'm pretty sure takedown defense is part of the scoring.

i agree with a lot of your points but take down defense and getting back on the feet is not put into consideration as much as take downs themselves. mma is a sport, and it's been evolving and changing to please the audience. they used to have no time limits and no stand ups if a fight were at a stale mate on the ground. you have to be able to do something with a take down. if someone can't stand and bang with a better striker, sure, take it to the ground, but you'll have to do something following your take down. get into a dominant position, actively work to look for strikes or submissions, not just lay on someone until the bell rings. if you simply don't want to strike, go compete in submission tournaments or wrestling. don't do mma.

i just don't agree with you on who was winning the fight

so whos next for Wandy???

and do you think there is actually somebody who can take out Anderson Silva?? who do you think.

I'm fairly new to MMA so still trying to learn everything.

it looks like Akiyama and Wand may fight next. they already called eachother out.

anderson said it himself that the day will come when someone will beat him. anybody can do it at any given day. i think a submission would be more likely since anderson's been subbed before. but i don't see anyone in the 185 that will beat anderson. i think anderson can take on 3 top 205ers and have a good chance of winning. don't know if he'll beat machida or shogun but i think he'd beat the rest

 

[pwmin]

Wandy did get back up after the takedowns, but they are still takedowns, and they still score points, especially if you do it repeatedly, and dominate a area of a fight.
It's like if a guy gets tagged with a punch and gets back up, the punch still counts.

BTW, just because Bisping "wasn't close to finishing" doesn't mean he can't win the fight. Knocking a guy out is not a prerequisite to winning a mma fight.

I didn't say that at all, just saying that Wandy almost ended it in every round and was never really dominated except for the 3/5 takedowns vs. 0/0 in the first round.

I wouldn't exactly call 5/10 takedowns/attempt by Bisping vs. 2/2 by Silva domination in that area over all (besides maybe the first), but he was definitely the more skilled. They weren't hard takedowns or anything, either.

Wandy also had more total strikes, leg strikes and ground strikes thrown/landed and a higher percentage in leg and total. The only area (besides overall takedowns and attempts) Bisping really did better was arm strikes. I could see Bisping winning the first round because of takedowns, but not either of the other two.

http://compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_110/Silva-Bisping.HTM

Anyway, it's over and it really could have gone either way.